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JoePhilly

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76. Your comment reminds me of a theory I have ... curious what you think ...

Wed Apr 23, 2014, 01:15 PM

Apr 2014

Back when Senator Obama was running for President in 2008, folks on the right wing started to claim that Democrats thought he was some kind of "Messiah". The claimed that Democrats thought Obama was going to turn the US into their Socialist Utopia.

Basically, the right was using this line to attack and mock us. I thought they sounded crazy.

Obama was clearly a moderate Democrat. And I did not know anyone who thought he was some kind of Messiah. I sure didn't.

Watching some of Warren's most ardent supporters, I now think I see what I might have missed back then. She's their new Messiah.

Some of them saw Obama as the deliverer, and when they realized he was really a moderate Democrat, they got angry, and then angrier, and they have stayed very angry.

Now, they've found a new Messiah. They don't seem to do "ground game". They confuse attacking Obama, or Hillary, here on DU, as activism.

They screamed for a primary of Obama ... but had no candidate in mind. Back then I suggested to some of them that they needed to focus on 2016 ... find this awesome progressive candidate they want ... build up that person.

For the most part, they've done nothing. Other than complain I mean.

Maybe Warren will run. Would not be the first time some one said "not running" and then did.

If she does, it will be interesting to see how they react. I don't know that anyone could live up to their expectations.

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If people want to root for Warren as president, more power to them. Why does this seem to make some [View all] quinnox Apr 2014 OP

Doesn't matter who runs Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #1

LOL. Lex Apr 2014 #2

someone asked warren about clinton and she was polite. now everyone is losing it. i am tired of roguevalley Apr 2014 #164

okey dokey Lex Apr 2014 #165

You are on the front lines of party control nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #3

"Conservadems"....there is your problem right there.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #32

Except they're not liberals, which is why they get called conservatives Scootaloo Apr 2014 #65

Who? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #66

Here's one Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #71

Sort of....I guess...... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #72

It doesnt matter what they call themselves it's what principles they rhett o rick Apr 2014 #73

You don't think there ARE extreme Liberals on DU? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #74

You dont think there ARE conservatives in DU? rhett o rick Apr 2014 #81

No kidding. Marr Apr 2014 #83

"Conservative Wing" you are degrading are the real ones out there on the front lines VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #116

Why do conservative Dems always claim that no one else volunteers? Marr Apr 2014 #126

thats you....you do not a trend make... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #168

You don't make a trend, either-- and I have to say in all my years of volunteering, I haven't Marr Apr 2014 #170

who openly describes themselves as "moderates"? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #171

Seriously? /nt Marr Apr 2014 #172

Serious..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #174

Wrong. I've been on the front lines for many years and it's the lefties that are out there. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #143

I think there are REAL Republicans pretending to be Democrats on here yes..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #95

It's not enough to just vote for Democrats. Many Republicans call themselves Democrats. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #148

Anyone who tries to defend putting SS 'on the table' is not a Liberal. Anyone who opposes that is sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #167

Elizabeth Warren switched from Republican, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #122

Your logic needs a lot of work. What her principles are have nothing to do with which party rhett o rick Apr 2014 #145

But if she can change principles, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #175

Nope, but I've seen plenty of right-wing democrats in my time Scootaloo Apr 2014 #75

Please point some out.....I keep hearing about them.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #77

I don't think it's a glut, at least on DU Scootaloo Apr 2014 #86

Have you noticed that I don't care what you think about how often I post..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #117

having been on DU for 10 years, the people you speak of, come and go. they get TS'd, but more take dionysus Apr 2014 #195

She is NOT a challenge to it....she IS IT VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #115

Just another round of primary wars starting early... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #4

The upcoming primary season is going to be a fucking nightmare. cyberswede Apr 2014 #15

Do you mean the 2014 primary season? MineralMan Apr 2014 #106

I was referring to the 2016 presidential primary season... cyberswede Apr 2014 #127

Ah. I see. Well, that season won't be coming up until after MineralMan Apr 2014 #130

Ok. And the upcoming presidential primary season is going to be a fucking nightmare. nt cyberswede Apr 2014 #142

Swerved right around that pedantry. +1. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #184

. cyberswede Apr 2014 #185

It;s just like running into a bull pen Autumn Apr 2014 #5

Well put. And it seems to come from the same crowd quinnox Apr 2014 #7

You got that right. And of course there is the GOTV 2014 crowd. Autumn Apr 2014 #10

For sure! It is ridiculous. quinnox Apr 2014 #14

And the ones who take posters to task for Autumn Apr 2014 #21

lol, you got it. I guess the whole election will be blown if duers don't spend every waking moment quinnox Apr 2014 #22

... and completely ignoring that the "game is rigged" message is important this year, too. n/t winter is coming Apr 2014 #17

We don't have much more time. We have to un rig that game, while we can. Autumn Apr 2014 #23

I suggest electing a Congress with a Democratic majority in 2014, then. MineralMan Apr 2014 #112

And guess what? We can fucking do both. Autumn Apr 2014 #134

Apparently you have been failing to notice the Beyond bit. MineralMan Apr 2014 #137

You mean election activists who believe the 2014 election is important? MineralMan Apr 2014 #111

Thank you. Skidmore Apr 2014 #118

Exactly.....but punching Hillary MUST be tolerated. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #121

I won't commit to Hilllary this far out. Skidmore Apr 2014 #128

I haven't "committed" to Hillary Clinton either....she hasn't put her hat in..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #129

You and I are in the same place. Skidmore Apr 2014 #131

Of course it's important. If you don't want to talk about 2016 then don't. Autumn Apr 2014 #133

Of course they are free to do that. MineralMan Apr 2014 #135

You focus on what you will. I have no problem with GOTV 2014 or discussing 2016 Autumn Apr 2014 #138

Again, thanks so much for the permission. MineralMan Apr 2014 #139

Suggestions are more effective. I imagine if Skinner objects to us talking about 2016 Autumn Apr 2014 #140

The "Beyond" came after posts about being able to focus on more than one thing at a time. merrily Apr 2014 #176

And then there is this epithet..."Authoritarian" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #34

Indeed. Stop posting about 2014 election activism, dammit! MineralMan Apr 2014 #113

I know right? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #114

Authoritarians, I guess. MineralMan Apr 2014 #124

Me either....totally agree! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #125

Perhaps because she isn't running? BainsBane Apr 2014 #6

Well, then just ignore or trash the threads that speculate about it. quinnox Apr 2014 #8

That is precisely what I do BainsBane Apr 2014 #12

+++1000 VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #35

Yet here you are, posting in this thread. Scuba Apr 2014 #91

^^^THIS ++10000000^^^ blue14u Apr 2014 #110

Warren ain't running....or do you support a liar? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #119

I support Warren blue14u Apr 2014 #158

bullying....hahahahaha.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #159

Wow just wow...U are certainly welcome to blue14u Apr 2014 #162

I have said all along....I vote for the Democrat that wins the Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #180

No one's running right now Art_from_Ark Apr 2014 #178

More to the point, her protestations haven't been squirrelly either--they've been flat-out, HELL NO, MADem Apr 2014 #85

So true BainsBane Apr 2014 #92

and when she doesn't perform that magic..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #123

Economic equality is the one area we've made virtually zero progress on under Obama... Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #181

I think Hillary Clinton, POTUS, would nominate Elizabeth Warren, Senator, as her Treasury Secretary. MADem Apr 2014 #182

Look, I'd vote for Hillary Clinton in a general election no question Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #186

I think she'll take a look at a lot more than EW's message. MADem Apr 2014 #188

Krugman for Fed. joshcryer Apr 2014 #190

"It's as if she's regarded as a commodity" joshcryer Apr 2014 #191

That kind of argument (Mean Old POTUS, poor bullied EW) advances a narrative, MADem Apr 2014 #193

So no Hillary posts either? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #88

That's different tkmorris Apr 2014 #93

Most of the Hillary Posts....are detractors my friend..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #120

And support for Hillary Clinton gets the same rsults. sufrommich Apr 2014 #9

The difference is hat Clinton gets bashed. bornskeptic Apr 2014 #101

Exactly....the only people repeatedly posting ABOUT Hillary.....are those VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #160

You've stated the essential truth, here. MADem Apr 2014 #192

I enjoy fact based discussion of candidates and issues - hedgehog Apr 2014 #11

So this flamebait is from a Hillary supporter? NCTraveler Apr 2014 #13

Believe it or not, I can support Hillary and not care if others want to support other candidates quinnox Apr 2014 #16

Apparently you aren't able to. That is obvious. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #18

Exactly....they do go on and on while speaking out of both sides of the mouth don't they? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #36

Some of us are screwed because we support them both. Autumn Apr 2014 #25

Agree with every word you typed. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #29

And if Bernie jumps in the race I will be a very happy person. Autumn Apr 2014 #37

If Bernie jumps in Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #46

Right now most of my excitement revolves around Warren. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #47

So true and you are so right. If the financial situation they have created is not changed, Autumn Apr 2014 #53

It's natural that our excitement would revolve around Warren, she in politics Autumn Apr 2014 #89

Me too. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #98

+10000 dionysus Apr 2014 #196

I haven't seen much of what you claim. But it fits your narrative. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #19

I think its projection ... DU has regular threads attacking Hillary ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #24

Or mentioning that she signed a letter encouraging her to run.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #38

During the recent Warren thread fun ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #51

Slow learners huh? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #54

+1000 Peacetrain Apr 2014 #55

+1 treestar Apr 2014 #146

Wait, we can have different opinions on different things? joshcryer Apr 2014 #187

I've noticed a certain fondness for "Orwellian" lately. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #52

Oh you are just a "poopyhead" for pointing THAT one out.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #56

You Better Believe it ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #63

'd'idn't 'f'ucking 'k'now about that. Thanks for your vote, and thanks for msanthrope Apr 2014 #69

Its the nature of the perpetually disgruntled. nt JoePhilly Apr 2014 #80

This crew is loaded to the gills Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #41

Hello!!! Peacetrain Apr 2014 #48

And the best part is .....we HAVE an impressive "ground game" in place..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #57

Yes we do! Peacetrain Apr 2014 #61

Agreed!!! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #64

Your comment reminds me of a theory I have ... curious what you think ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #76

That is the point.....and proceeds to a thought I keep having... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #79

Exactly. I've said 100 times that if EW won the WH treestar Apr 2014 #147

I think so too. The way she answered JoePhilly Apr 2014 #149

Personality cults. joshcryer Apr 2014 #194

Thank you!!! YOU hit is out of the ballpark....we tend to be the Democrats who actually DO... msanthrope Apr 2014 #70

It goes beyond that. My activism is in a district represented MineralMan Apr 2014 #132

Since doing that, have you held Betty's feet to the fire? treestar Apr 2014 #150

I correspond with her regularly, and chatted with her MineralMan Apr 2014 #155

And you're criticized on this Democratic board mcar Apr 2014 #152

Not everyone's priorities MineralMan Apr 2014 #156

Some of them ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #58

I like that ....."High Priests of Liberalism" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #67

+1 treestar Apr 2014 #144

I think the Warren supporters would be better off directing their efforts towards Sanders. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #20

What I want is an action packed, talent heavy primary slate of Democrats so appealing Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #26

+1000. I fully agree! quinnox Apr 2014 #28

Be still my heart. You said it Autumn Apr 2014 #33

I'd even say I value the folks who get all primary frothy, they are part of the background Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #45

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #108

If the Warren supporters spent their time building up Warren, rather than attacking JoePhilly Apr 2014 #27

Yep....they want to have their cake and eat it too.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #40

Remember, Clinton ain't runnin' either. Iggo Apr 2014 #30

She's waiting to see what Biden's plans are Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #31

I can't imagine a scenario where Biden doesn't run. Autumn Apr 2014 #39

If that happens then some heads are REALLY going to explode to discover that Biden is not as VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #42

Heads are going to explode anyway. Biden is why I think Hillary will not run. Autumn Apr 2014 #43

Maybe Biden will be ready for a quiet retirement then.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #44

And one thing we do know....right now no one has said they are running. Autumn Apr 2014 #50

If Hillary wants to run then Biden will be shoved to the curb hack89 Apr 2014 #84

If Biden wants to be Prez, he will run and Obama WILL back him Autumn Apr 2014 #90

Hillary has the organization hack89 Apr 2014 #102

"An "its his turn" candidate will not gain much traction with the electorate" Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #105

No - I was referring to the supposed tradition of a VP succeeding the President they served. hack89 Apr 2014 #107

No, he won't. Beacool Apr 2014 #169

That's for sure - TBF Apr 2014 #87

She IS thinking about it....Elizabeth Warren isn't... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #60

Actually, one of them isn't running and the other one isn't running. Iggo Apr 2014 #94

i like all 3 of them, to varying degrees... dionysus Apr 2014 #49

Same here, I think all of them are good quinnox Apr 2014 #59

having been on DU since 2001, i think somewhere around 2004, the primary wars never ended, they dionysus Apr 2014 #68

For sure, but then, 2008 WAS a doozy. It will be hard to top quinnox Apr 2014 #82

"smoove johny" , would that be John Kerry ? No, John Edwards Autumn Apr 2014 #96

I was a Clinton defender in 2007-2008. joshcryer Apr 2014 #189

Good point because.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #62

Recommend. nt Zorra Apr 2014 #78

Because Inevitability™ works on the same principle that keeps Wile E. Coyote from falling after he Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #97

Meep Meep! quinnox Apr 2014 #100

Joe-mentum? Iggo Apr 2014 #103

most of Reagan's foreign-policy appointees were "ex-Dems"--ie Dems who thought that primaries MisterP Apr 2014 #99

Some people have bought into the idea that we have to have a "moderate".... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #104

If someone wants to point out the importance of 2014, more power to them. MineralMan Apr 2014 #109

It isn't Warren's turn yet. n/t leeroysphitz Apr 2014 #136

Yeah, and it wadn't Obama's either. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2014 #154

We're talking about elections, not deli queues. winter is coming Apr 2014 #163

They are simoply ashamed of how poorly their candidate compares to a real Democrat. bvar22 Apr 2014 #141

Warren is a threat to the 'haves'. So they have to put bad juju out there in the hopes some appleannie1 Apr 2014 #151

if people want to root for someone for president who isn't even running arely staircase Apr 2014 #153

Just ignore it. pacalo Apr 2014 #157

Love it! RiffRandell Apr 2014 #166

Poor Walter -- I did like him. pacalo Apr 2014 #173

only Putinistas don't support the corporate choice Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #161

I favor free speech at DU and a lively, authentic primary in the real world. merrily Apr 2014 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #179

I don't see anything wrong with it. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #183

I think that you got the whole thing backward. DU is drooling over Warren. Beacool Apr 2014 #197