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In reply to the discussion: Starbucks Boycott Over Marriage Equality Spurs Tenfold Backlash [View all]ellisonz
(27,776 posts)107. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
If you believe the laws to be unconstitutional, you should take that to the Courts, but the reality is that you will lose unless the Court goes even more to the far-right. Even Anthony Scalia and the others on the SCOTUS could not stomach that extremist argument:
Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Courts opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Millers holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those in common use at the time finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heller_vs._DC#Decision
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heller_vs._DC#Decision
You can believe such laws to be unconstitutional but the highest law of the land says they are not.
They are committing a felony but if the investigator doesn't say I couldn't pass the background check and the seller doesn't ask, the sale is still entirely legal. Thems facts.
Chicago is not an island. Ask any mainstream sociologist why crime rates are down and you'll get a much more complex answer. If you really think a few million toters are causing that you need to spend less time accepting the gun nut propaganda without question. Let's get real, your notion that somehow places where you can't tote are "victim disarmament zones" is accurate as the claim that the current gun control regime is a "criminal enablement system." It's the illegally possessed guns, generally though negligence or incompetence, that the system allows to take effect, that cause such events.
You have a choice, if you don't want to submit to the laws of a particular jurisdiction, don't live there - you can always go to Texas.
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Ask all the questions you want. That does not mean though to expect an answer.
William769
Mar 2012
#32
I know, it was already planned. And then when we got there, the shooting range was packed...
Ian David
Mar 2012
#59
It might have been a .44 magnum, not a .357. I remember it had bullets the size of my thumb.
Ian David
Mar 2012
#78
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
ellisonz
Mar 2012
#107