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hootinholler

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183. We must define success differently

Wed Apr 23, 2014, 07:19 PM

Apr 2014

Granted, she was a good SoS. I don't condemn her for her success, I disagree with her accomplishments. Granted that they are generally better than any republican's goals would have been. I contend she has the wrong goals, they benefit the 1%. Therefore at this point in the election cycle, of course I'm going to continue to do all I can to drag the party back to the people. I thought that DU was a haven for people who want to do just that.

Right now of the politicians of Presidential mettle there are two who consistently stand with my current core values. There are more that mostly do. And those that will if it costs them nothing.

BTW, saying that her lengthy participation in the DLC is irrelevant is like saying Rand Paul being libertarian is irrelevant.

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If Hillary is a corporatist Third Way DLC Dem, why does Elizabeth Warren think she's terrific? [View all] Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 OP

K&R! hrmjustin Apr 2014 #1

I bet you aren't going to get an answer from anyone who is trying to hype the sexist ratfucking msanthrope Apr 2014 #2

+1 n/t FSogol Apr 2014 #6

I'm of the firm belief Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #10

It's ratfucking 101....attacks from the faux Left on the strongest candidates. Looks like Warren msanthrope Apr 2014 #19

So it's the DLC-3rd way or you are a ratfucker? hootinholler Apr 2014 #99

Who are you calling DLC or third way? nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #102

Hillary Clinton hootinholler Apr 2014 #103

Oh lordy...still trying to find people who don't accept the bought and paid for Senate 2000 msanthrope Apr 2014 #127

What bullshit from Rove and Company? hootinholler Apr 2014 #140

Dear sweet jeebus...if you are unfamiliar with the recent history of 2000, and, frankly, 1996/98... msanthrope Apr 2014 #142

It matters not. hootinholler Apr 2014 #143

It really does matter. There's a 2014 election to win, and ignorance about the Clintons... msanthrope Apr 2014 #146

Again and for the last time hootinholler Apr 2014 #152

The Great Right Wing Conspiracy? joshcryer Apr 2014 #163

No, I'm not kidding anyone hootinholler Apr 2014 #168

Because it's mostly irrelevant. joshcryer Apr 2014 #181

We must define success differently hootinholler Apr 2014 #183

dupe joshcryer Apr 2014 #185

Please give me a theoretical path she could've taken. joshcryer Apr 2014 #186

I'm not interested in discussing a fictional version n/t hootinholler Apr 2014 #188

So you concede the point? joshcryer Apr 2014 #189

She is what she is. hootinholler Apr 2014 #190

Politicians "change their spots" regularly. joshcryer Apr 2014 #191

Remember when David Brock admitted the conspiracy existed? joshcryer Apr 2014 #164

Yes...he admitted that his book on Anita Hill was bought and paid for BS. He admitted that msanthrope Apr 2014 #165

She was a woman politician in the Regan era conservative shift. joshcryer Apr 2014 #162

Your reasoning of the situation seems to be right on! Let's not fall for this Republican trick! Cal33 Apr 2014 #180

I would have to agree with that assessment. nt MADem Apr 2014 #109

Yep treestar Apr 2014 #138

Actually, I heard Joe Scarborough do that dance earlier this week... CTyankee Apr 2014 #171

Wrong. If Elizabeth Warren changes her views on war and wall st. crimes and joins sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #114

Well, sabs, I am glad for the the blueprint!!!! If she ain't a ratfucker, you are just done!!!nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #129

Hear, hear!!! Beacool Apr 2014 #121

Oh....they realize. They just think we are stupid. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #130

Embrace your anger Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #139

Because, as it is today... yallerdawg Apr 2014 #3

+1000 Historic NY Apr 2014 #78

Or, "terrific" is the easiest one word response when you don't want to say anything at all. fbc Apr 2014 #85

We have to mention "Benghazi" yallerdawg Apr 2014 #95

As she acknowledged as well in that private letter signed by all of the Democratic female Senators, MADem Apr 2014 #110

MAdem?! yallerdawg Apr 2014 #111

I think you've misunderstood my comment! MADem Apr 2014 #113

I thought you misunderstood my comment. yallerdawg Apr 2014 #118

Where do I pay mah dues? MADem Apr 2014 #131

True dat - what else is Elizabeth sposed to say? Of course she knows Hillary is in the pocket of Wall Street ratfuckers. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2014 #206

Snarf. JackRiddler Apr 2014 #214

There's a couple of possibilities el_bryanto Apr 2014 #4

I would rather win then Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #117

Than you should support who you feel is best. el_bryanto Apr 2014 #156

Guilt by association! onehandle Apr 2014 #5

Well, until fairly recently, she was a Republican. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #23

What?? When was Elizabeth Warren a republican? sufrommich Apr 2014 #25

According to her wikipedia entry, from her first votes until 1996. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #30

Hillary was a Goldwater Girl. It happens. Arkana Apr 2014 #64

Me either. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #66

Again with that? She was freaking 17 years old, for goodness sakes!!! Beacool Apr 2014 #151

Chill. My point is that people change. Elizabeth Warren voted Republican in 1996, Arkana Apr 2014 #159

I guess you could argue that a switch in 96 is not 'recent' though. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #31

Look, pick a side and then be totally one-sided, willya? merrily Apr 2014 #198

I do have a side - I'm critical of ALL politicians. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #199

Temporarily align with your views or pretend to align with your views merrily Apr 2014 #200

Oh I'm not being even-handed at all. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #203

I am not always on any individual's side, including my own. merrily Apr 2014 #204

She was a registered Republican until her mid 40s. Beacool Apr 2014 #150

Whatever. There was a time when Republicans were humans. onehandle Apr 2014 #33

Don't worry. Scott Brown's campaign and the Boston Herald Arkana Apr 2014 #62

Within in the strict confines of the question... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #7

It's calculated to convey that Warren will not throw sufrommich Apr 2014 #11

There are three possibilities. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #8

For a 4th possibility, IDemo Apr 2014 #13

That post is pure waffle. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #17

I seriously doubt it IDemo Apr 2014 #24

OK, so you think she's a liar. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #27

Oh please, Politics is politics - Sen. Warren recognizes that Hillary is the most likely nominee and Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #9

So Warren is lying? Hillary is, in fact, not terrific? nt Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #12

...'not terrific' as what? A leading female candidate? As a grandma-to-be? truebrit71 Apr 2014 #16

Could be it's a 'white lie'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #18

and sometimes.....the truth is just the truth.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #53

Well, sure. Especially when it's merely Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #57

But you're just supposed to trust ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #77

sorry, but you are being awfully naive about how politics is played in the real world Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #20

Were Hillary and Obama lying when they said nice things about each other in 08? Dawgs Apr 2014 #35

No, of course not. They genuinely respected each other (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #36

Warren is a good politician. There is no downside to her backing Hillary. Warren rallies the Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #67

Would that some on Democratic Underground understood politics.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #51

Reagan's 11th commandment? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #14

seems like a convoluted way to determine if Hilllary is a DLC/Third Way/New Dem type or not. merrily Apr 2014 #15

Ask Warren. I don't live in her head or she in mine. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #104

Odd reply. I don't think Warren suggested that we should try to determine what Hillary's politics merrily Apr 2014 #197

My bad. That was intended to be a reply to the OP and I'm not sure why I replied to you TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #210

LOL, no worries. Good to know. merrily Apr 2014 #212

It sounded to me like a bit of deflection - Warren just said the usual thing, and then said djean111 Apr 2014 #21

It makes me like Elizabeth Warren more.....does that count? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #54

Count for what? Your premise is that Warren saying Terrific! means Hillary must not be a djean111 Apr 2014 #61

That wasn't MY pemise.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #71

Hillary and Bill were among the earliest members of the DLC in the late 80's DJ13 Apr 2014 #92

So? I believe Elizabeth Warren was once voted Republican..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #122

Warren has changed DJ13 Apr 2014 #125

You seem to think you know so much about her.....have you changed at all since VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #128

I'll get back to you after my two speeches at Goldman Sachs DJ13 Apr 2014 #132

Great post. The op seems to be the meme released across the internets today including DU. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #173

ASk her. mmonk Apr 2014 #22

exactly Enrique Apr 2014 #29

Technically, Al From was the head. merrily Apr 2014 #216

I suppose you could send her an email and ask her! I know what i think and why. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #26

Does Warren think Hillary's support and votes for Bush's wars are also "terrific"? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #28

How long have you been following politics? Dawgs Apr 2014 #32

Ummmm.... Obama DID think Hillary was terrific. Why else would he name her SoS? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #38

Ummm... the point is that it's not a big deal for Warren to say that Hillary is terrific. Disagree? Dawgs Apr 2014 #39

No, I believe that Warren thinks Hillary should be the next president. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #40

Interesting. Dawgs Apr 2014 #42

Well.... my opinion of Hillary is the same as Warren's. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #43

As if many here are not blinded by love for the person in your sig.......... Beacool Apr 2014 #155

Not a big deal for some.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #56

Why would it be a big deal for anyone? Dawgs Apr 2014 #60

Because some here think Elizabeth Warren is the Second Coming.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #74

That's not a reason. Dawgs Apr 2014 #86

Right......that is what this is an example of......oh yeah....except for that one other little thing VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #123

Warren would have to be the Third Coming.. Fumesucker Apr 2014 #133

He won the office.....big difference. Much to your dismay there are going to be statues VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #135

Umm.. I personally *like* Obama Fumesucker Apr 2014 #147

No he is not important to DEMOCRATS! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #149

Important politicians get stuff named after them Fumesucker Apr 2014 #153

Yes they do..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #154

Are you getting ready for the coming BOG war? Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #141

shhhhh Hekate Apr 2014 #34

Apparently, Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #65

Because overall she is terrific. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #37

Fact is that Hillary was a founding and leading member of the DLC, that's simple Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #41

politics Egnever Apr 2014 #44

Because she's too polite to publicly call Hillary a DINO. Scuba Apr 2014 #45

Hillary a DINO? agbdf Apr 2014 #106

Personally, I don't think she can win. The right will turn out in droves to vote against her .... Scuba Apr 2014 #107

I hope you're wrong. I'm a big Hillary supporter. agbdf Apr 2014 #108

Truth. And she will be more liberal than Obama. joshcryer Apr 2014 #144

More liberal DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #160

Talking candidates here. joshcryer Apr 2014 #161

"will claim she's a shrill liar about the things she'll talk about." Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #167

She told that story a dozen times. joshcryer Apr 2014 #192

how Clintonesque DonCoquixote Apr 2014 #174

I don't want Clinton. joshcryer Apr 2014 #193

Talk about spin krawhitham Apr 2014 #46

I think some here have forgotten that Warren signed sufrommich Apr 2014 #47

Gosh, I had forgotten that. Got a link to the letter? n/t winter is coming Apr 2014 #119

More to the point is... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #48

Elizabeth is being a loyal party person in this instance. Blue_In_AK Apr 2014 #49

Sen. Warren is not necessarily endorsing Hillary for President. She could mean that Hillary is a nic jwirr Apr 2014 #50

Absolutely. Warren was being diplomatic Art_from_Ark Apr 2014 #196

Elizabeth Warren is mistaken. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #52

so the new argument is Hillary's NOT corporatist and 3Way? MisterP Apr 2014 #55

Oh, I've seen that argument hootinholler Apr 2014 #100

There really isn't anything anyone can say or do to make Hillary more palable to those, like me, who djean111 Apr 2014 #58

Well said. Raksha Apr 2014 #187

People always play nice when it comes to public comments about others. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #59

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #63

Please tell me you Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #70

Mirt moved fast. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #72

Well, Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #75

Probably not, unfortunately. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #73

What is she supposed to say? Kelvin Mace Apr 2014 #68

If she didn't believe what she was saying, the answer to your 1st question is "absolutely nothing" stevenleser Apr 2014 #89

All your fault..... whistler162 Apr 2014 #69

note: she did not say clinton's political views are terrific, only that hillary is terrific nt msongs Apr 2014 #76

So wait ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #79

You are right AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #172

“I think Hillary Clinton is terrific,”she said.“We've got to stay focused on these issues right now" Sunlei Apr 2014 #80

"Reformed" Republicans SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2014 #81

Political personalities' opinions of one another are not that important. Maedhros Apr 2014 #82

I'm sure Hillary and Elizabeth Warren like each other. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #83

What would you have her say, in public? elleng Apr 2014 #84

See my #89 above. nt stevenleser Apr 2014 #94

when asked if clinton would make a good president, warren replied 'i like turtles' frylock Apr 2014 #87

Because Hillary is a terrific corporatist, third way, DLC prommie Apr 2014 #88

No worries, true progressives will NEVER forget this wolf in sheep's clothing. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2014 #207

Why do some people think lima beans are terrific? whatchamacallit Apr 2014 #90

Do you think Hillary would make a good president? Autumn Apr 2014 #91

For a Third Way DLC Dem...... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #93

That's an Oscar de la Renta gown and coat that he designed for Bill's second inaugural. Beacool Apr 2014 #220

Because Warren is no more liberal than 3rd way Udall. joshcryer Apr 2014 #96

Because Hillary *is* terrific MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #97

Looks like Warren isn't playing the game... Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #105

See this gray thing? It's either black, or it's white. Decide now. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #98

K&R! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #101

That's what I love about Elizabeth Warren Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #112

She is terrific and a DLC Dem. The two ain't mutually exclusive otherone Apr 2014 #115

That is a good question for Warren. ZombieHorde Apr 2014 #116

Its all politics Shoulders of Giants Apr 2014 #120

Good grief. 99Forever Apr 2014 #124

Elizabeth Warren isn't playing politics Cali_Democrat Apr 2014 #136

One word for you, Cali_Democrat, 99Forever Apr 2014 #148

And you would think that someone with some common sense would realize that both women get along. Beacool Apr 2014 #194

Because it is so unflattering libodem Apr 2014 #126

She's certainly not going to talk trash about Wall Streets' chosen Democratic Presidential Zorra Apr 2014 #134

Because EW is also a corporatist Third Way DLC Dem, obviously treestar Apr 2014 #137

Actually, her liberal rating isn't so hot. joshcryer Apr 2014 #145

Because she is a team player. roody Apr 2014 #157

It was a dodge Boom Sound 416 Apr 2014 #158

Because nothing satisfies purists. iandhr Apr 2014 #166

What does all of that have to do with disagreeing that when Warren says "Terrific!" she means that djean111 Apr 2014 #182

Maybe Warren's ambition to chair the Senate banking committee. iandhr Apr 2014 #169

Because Warren is smart enough to *NOT* bash Hillary in public? Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #170

Democrats and liberals overwhelmingly like HRC arely staircase Apr 2014 #175

Her being part of the DLC isn't up for debate. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #176

Yeah, I don't get this denial. /nt Marr Apr 2014 #178

what did anyone think she would say? 2pooped2pop Apr 2014 #177

Uhh... Marr Apr 2014 #179

Shhhh! JackRiddler Apr 2014 #213

I don't know. I think she was just being polite. Raksha Apr 2014 #184

This notion that Liz Warren and Hillary Clinton don't get along is nonsense. Beacool Apr 2014 #195

Maybe I don't read the correct threads, but I have never seen a thread saying djean111 Apr 2014 #202

Did you read the responses? Beacool Apr 2014 #205

What I read yesterday were OPs stating that when Warren said "Terrific!, and now can we get back djean111 Apr 2014 #208

Actually, no... JackRiddler Apr 2014 #215

I'd say there's something sexist about your equating of political differences Marr Apr 2014 #217

What is "just stupefyingly dumb" is trying to pit these two women against each other. Beacool Apr 2014 #218

Who is doing that? The OP is saying that Clinton cannot be a corporatist DLCer because Marr Apr 2014 #219

Holy crap! Do you mean to tell me... vi5 Apr 2014 #201

Can ya feel all the corporate love here? L0oniX Apr 2014 #209

Because, like Hillary Clinton, she is very smart. Rex Apr 2014 #211