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marions ghost

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55. yep the weasel language

Thu Apr 24, 2014, 08:15 AM

Apr 2014

gives them Carte Blanche. And people don't see how this backfires on us, never mind being an indefensible policy position to begin with?

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So did US drones really kill 60 plus people in Yemen? [View all] malaise Apr 2014 OP

"Turns out I'm really good at killing people." -Obama DesMoinesDem Apr 2014 #1

He's not in Bushco's league malaise Apr 2014 #4

Apparently yes marions ghost Apr 2014 #2

That's very good news malaise Apr 2014 #3

This is a war we are waging on Yemen marions ghost Apr 2014 #5

This is madness malaise Apr 2014 #6

What is this "law" of which you speak? Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #19

I thnk you are incorrect--you assume that the legal analysis of the white paper will somehow msanthrope Apr 2014 #21

"earned him a drone" marions ghost Apr 2014 #40

Really? Tell us exactly how you would have targeted Awlaki? nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #42

Really? marions ghost Apr 2014 #46

Kindly tell us the specific strategy you would have used for Awlaki. Why not answer the question?nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #53

Because marions ghost Apr 2014 #54

If everyone knows there was another way to get Awlaki, then why not simply msanthrope Apr 2014 #56

You like drones marions ghost Apr 2014 #61

I wish drones had been on the table at Tora Bora. Might have saved us the whole Iraq war. msanthrope Apr 2014 #62

"Saved us the whole Iraq War..." marions ghost Apr 2014 #63

Precisely--I agree with you. That's why drones were not used by Bush at Tora Bora. Far too msanthrope Apr 2014 #64

Oh yeah drones are the answer marions ghost Apr 2014 #66

So let me also add the question..... marions ghost Apr 2014 #67

Trust? Hardly...but AQAP must be dealt with. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #68

And so marions ghost Apr 2014 #69

I do care how. I think that the man who helped send PETN bombs to the US, msanthrope Apr 2014 #70

Did his son marions ghost Apr 2014 #72

His son? No. But he wasn't the target of that operation. Al-Banna was. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #73

Doesn't matter. The son was innocent collateral damage. marions ghost Apr 2014 #74

Notice you did not nor will not get an answer treestar Apr 2014 #87

I never will...which is why very different people are in charge of things. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #89

Good to know. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #77

The same court that signed off on the death of Osama bin Laden. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #79

I don't believe any court signed of on executing bin Laden. MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #80

Now you're catching on. You have a very peculiar mindview...why do you msanthrope Apr 2014 #81

Americans don't have full Constitutional rights? MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #82

You are evading my question. Why can't you answer it? nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #83

LOL MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #84

Why do you think Osama Bin Laden did not get due process? nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #85

I answered your question, please show courtesy and answer mine MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #86

Actually, you didn't answer my question...so I'll repeat it... msanthrope Apr 2014 #88

I assume if the President makes the distinction, there is one MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #90

Well, you still aren't answering my question, Manny. Why? msanthrope Apr 2014 #91

I am absolutely answering your question MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #92

No...not only haven't you answered my question, you also have misunderstood msanthrope Apr 2014 #93

So you *are* claiming that the President can execute any citizen at will? nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #94

Not "any" person and not "at will." (I think restricting this discussion to 'citizens' is both msanthrope Apr 2014 #95

wow, missed this G_j Apr 2014 #25

OK marions ghost Apr 2014 #41

If it were so justified, why would the Administration need to keep these killings so secret? Supersedeas Apr 2014 #58

Right marions ghost Apr 2014 #60

The proper term for people killed in a drone strike is "suspected militants". n/t hughee99 Apr 2014 #7

That doesn't work for me malaise Apr 2014 #13

Doesn't work for me either... hughee99 Apr 2014 #14

When we declared war on them. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #22

that was easy.. G_j Apr 2014 #26

Well, yes, actually. That's kind of the point of war. Recursion Apr 2014 #31

The 2001 AUMF belongs in the dictionary under the definition of "vague". bullwinkle428 Apr 2014 #32

Take drones out of the mental image here. What if it were a platoon of Marines? Recursion Apr 2014 #33

Yes. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #36

We declared war on who? Militants? hughee99 Apr 2014 #34

It was in all the papers. On September 18, 2001, the AUMF authorizing action msanthrope Apr 2014 #35

I never said it wasn't in accordance with US law, just that it isn't right. hughee99 Apr 2014 #37

Well, no--it's not a blank check. We still needed another AUMF to get into Iraq, and various other msanthrope Apr 2014 #38

I don't see anything about AQ in the text. hughee99 Apr 2014 #39

AQ isn't mentioned in the text. Do you dispute they caused 9/11? nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #43

Of course not, but the bill is written hughee99 Apr 2014 #44

Nope. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #45

It gets worse, this barely registered a peep from most folks: The Straight Story Apr 2014 #8

You will never see it coming...yuck yuck...ha ha Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #9

AND: Hillary Clinton on Gaddafi: "We came, We saw, He died"---chuckle, chuckle, chuckle KoKo Apr 2014 #24

12 seconds that defined her term as Secretary of State Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #27

What a fucking ghoul RandiFan1290 Apr 2014 #48

Policy, malaise: Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #10

Time to show the bodies malaise Apr 2014 #11

They ARE human beings, I am not sure they "count" to those that are unconcerned with their death Dragonfli Apr 2014 #12

Total numbers so far -- how many Americans know this? marions ghost Apr 2014 #15

This has to stop malaise Apr 2014 #16

Yes it has to stop marions ghost Apr 2014 #17

Here's a story about piles of bodies that gets even less attention seveneyes Apr 2014 #18

The pile of bodies in Iraq were also ignored malaise Apr 2014 #23

C'mon. Those were peace bombs from a Democrat. woo me with science Apr 2014 #20

From HRW Daily Brief, April 23, 2014 Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #28

International Law appears to be whatever the West says it is at any given moment malaise Apr 2014 #29

A troubling precedent marions ghost Apr 2014 #51

From your link malaise Apr 2014 #52

yep the weasel language marions ghost Apr 2014 #55

Which is why although I have no love for Putin malaise Apr 2014 #57

As I understand it, the people we are droning in Yemen Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #30

Good Morning America -- marions ghost Apr 2014 #47

Thanks for this malaise Apr 2014 #49

Thanks for your OP marions ghost Apr 2014 #50

If the goal is to create more terrorists, then go ahead and support these drone attacks. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #59

Appeals Court Rules Government Can't Have It Both Ways on Targeted Killing Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #65

* snip Have courts ignored presidential overreach? Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #71

Frightening indeed malaise Apr 2014 #76

Exactly, the policy is similar to a gigantic Petri dish, creating more terror, not ending it. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #78

It's all legal. Octafish Apr 2014 #75