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In reply to the discussion: Is the USA now a fascist state? [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,587 posts)67. You need to know what Mussolini meant by 'corporatism' and 'corporate power'
It's not businesses that get called corporations in the USA.
Corporatism
The fascist economic theory corporatism called for organizing each of the major sectors of industry, agriculture, the professions, and the arts into state- or management-controlled trade unions and employer associations, or corporations, each of which would negotiate labour contracts and working conditions and represent the general interests of their professions in a larger assembly of corporations, or corporatist parliament. Corporatist institutions would replace all independent organizations of workers and employers, and the corporatist parliament would replace, or at least exist alongside, traditional representative and legislative bodies. In theory, the corporatist model represented a third way between capitalism and communism, allowing for the harmonious cooperation of workers and employers for the good of the nation as a whole. In practice, fascist corporatism was used to destroy labour movements and suppress political dissent. In 1936, for example, the economic program of the French Social Party included shorter working hours and vacations with pay for loyal workers but not for disloyal ones, and benefits were to be assigned by employers, not the government. The Nazi Strength Through Joy program, which provided subsidies for vacations and other leisure activities for workers, operated on similar principles.
Extensive corporatist legislation was passed in Italy beginning in the late 1920s, creating several government-controlled unions and outlawing strikes. The Salazar regime in Portugal, using the Italian legislation as its model, outlawed the Trade Union Federation and all leftist unions, made corporatist unions compulsory for workers, and declared strikes illegalall of which contributed to a decline in real wages. Croatian, Russian, Argentine, Brazilian, and Chilean fascism also proposed corporatist solutions to labour-management strife.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/202210/fascism/219368/Conservative-economic-programs#toc219369
The fascist economic theory corporatism called for organizing each of the major sectors of industry, agriculture, the professions, and the arts into state- or management-controlled trade unions and employer associations, or corporations, each of which would negotiate labour contracts and working conditions and represent the general interests of their professions in a larger assembly of corporations, or corporatist parliament. Corporatist institutions would replace all independent organizations of workers and employers, and the corporatist parliament would replace, or at least exist alongside, traditional representative and legislative bodies. In theory, the corporatist model represented a third way between capitalism and communism, allowing for the harmonious cooperation of workers and employers for the good of the nation as a whole. In practice, fascist corporatism was used to destroy labour movements and suppress political dissent. In 1936, for example, the economic program of the French Social Party included shorter working hours and vacations with pay for loyal workers but not for disloyal ones, and benefits were to be assigned by employers, not the government. The Nazi Strength Through Joy program, which provided subsidies for vacations and other leisure activities for workers, operated on similar principles.
Extensive corporatist legislation was passed in Italy beginning in the late 1920s, creating several government-controlled unions and outlawing strikes. The Salazar regime in Portugal, using the Italian legislation as its model, outlawed the Trade Union Federation and all leftist unions, made corporatist unions compulsory for workers, and declared strikes illegalall of which contributed to a decline in real wages. Croatian, Russian, Argentine, Brazilian, and Chilean fascism also proposed corporatist solutions to labour-management strife.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/202210/fascism/219368/Conservative-economic-programs#toc219369
Also, the authenticity of the quote is disputed:
Disputed
Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power.
This misunderstanding of the meaning of 'corporatzione' spread rapidly in the United States after appearing in a column by Molly Ivins (24 November 2002). It is repeated often and sometimes attributed to the "Fascism" entry in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana, but does not appear there. See "Mussolini on the Corporate State" by Chip Berlet which discusses the corporatzione - councils of workers, managers and other groups set up by the Fascist Party to control the economy and everyone in it.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini
Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power.
This misunderstanding of the meaning of 'corporatzione' spread rapidly in the United States after appearing in a column by Molly Ivins (24 November 2002). It is repeated often and sometimes attributed to the "Fascism" entry in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana, but does not appear there. See "Mussolini on the Corporate State" by Chip Berlet which discusses the corporatzione - councils of workers, managers and other groups set up by the Fascist Party to control the economy and everyone in it.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini
Translation of the Enciclopedia Italiana article: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/history/students/modules/hi153new/timetable/wk10/muss_fascism/
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Sigh....thats NOT the problem...its not these "so-called" Corporate Democrats
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#4
If you weaned off the cigs, the switch to only e-cigs should be no problem ...
brett_jv
Apr 2014
#31
The Democratic politicians that are called "spineless" are not spineless, they are bought off!
Dustlawyer
Apr 2014
#160
Concern coupled with workable solutions. Here's a cheerful song that'll help us:
freshwest
Apr 2014
#26
That's what I was thinking. That's the most ridiculous spin I have read. Ever.
djean111
Apr 2014
#79
Ha! i find your OP stance beyond silly. But to each their own, think whatever you like.
darkangel218
Apr 2014
#30
+1. We were at a party and some loud mouthed con was going on about Obama being a dictator.
FSogol
Apr 2014
#136
That there are no "tanks in the streets, racism, genocide, etc" IS STILL SOMETHING...
Junkdrawer
Apr 2014
#33
Funny. When I get out and talk to "the average Joe" that's not what I find...
Junkdrawer
Apr 2014
#39
I'm glad we are talking about this because the nation appears headed for total destruction.
Enthusiast
Apr 2014
#42
It all started when America decided to promote Capitalism to counter Communism....
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2014
#45
Michael Moore said of the fall of the Soviet Union, "One down, one to go."....
Spitfire of ATJ
Apr 2014
#155
Not really, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned, though, that's for damn sure. n/t
AverageJoe90
Apr 2014
#52
You know what the alternative to the "lesser evil" is in the real world? Evil.
baldguy
Apr 2014
#162
Folks like Warren and Sanders haven't given up on the political system...why have you?
brooklynite
Apr 2014
#55
Always amusing when DUers solemnly debate, on a free, public, open message board,
Nye Bevan
Apr 2014
#57
Fascism is a tricky word - by Mussolinis definition when haven't we been fascist?
el_bryanto
Apr 2014
#64
You need to know what Mussolini meant by 'corporatism' and 'corporate power'
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2014
#67
But the point is no-one can point to a speech or article in which Mussolini said this
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2014
#97
The folks seated around me taking advantage of the bagel place's free wifi say YES!!!!
JoePhilly
Apr 2014
#71
And everything they are sending through the free wifi is being recorded somewhere, in case the NSA
djean111
Apr 2014
#82
Oh, that's not paranoia. I think the NSA is quite up front with scooping up internet
djean111
Apr 2014
#86
Probabaly close. Our lower income people (about 90%) are over regulated by local & state gov.
Sunlei
Apr 2014
#99
The schoolchild view of a democracy is long gone and now replaced by a fascist state. Tanks
RKP5637
Apr 2014
#134
"Corporate servitude" = "having to show up at work at 9 AM or get into trouble with your boss".
Nye Bevan
Apr 2014
#139