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Hippo_Tron

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181. Economic equality is the one area we've made virtually zero progress on under Obama...

Thu Apr 24, 2014, 10:07 PM

Apr 2014

We've talked about her prospects of running on the other thread, so we don't need to re-hash that. But what I will say is that people wouldn't be talking about her if she didn't have a message that they wanted to hear. Personally, I'm not looking for a fire-breathing lefty that thinks everything about the Democratic Party is awful. I think we do make real progress on real issues when Democrats are in power. But I also think that in the Clinton/Obama era of the past 20 years, the Democratic Party has seriously left a lot to be desired when it comes to some issues particularly income inequality. And Elizabeth Warren is one of the few high profile figures who shares that sentiment.

I don't know who I'll vote for in 2016 and I don't know who's running. But here's what I do know. Hillary Clinton (if she is running) might consider why people are speculating about/promoting an Elizabeth Warren run and consider adjusting her message accordingly. Yes the country could do a lot worse than Bill Clinton 2.0. But there's a lot of people who think we could do much better.

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If people want to root for Warren as president, more power to them. Why does this seem to make some [View all] quinnox Apr 2014 OP

Doesn't matter who runs Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #1

LOL. Lex Apr 2014 #2

someone asked warren about clinton and she was polite. now everyone is losing it. i am tired of roguevalley Apr 2014 #164

okey dokey Lex Apr 2014 #165

You are on the front lines of party control nadinbrzezinski Apr 2014 #3

"Conservadems"....there is your problem right there.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #32

Except they're not liberals, which is why they get called conservatives Scootaloo Apr 2014 #65

Who? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #66

Here's one Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #71

Sort of....I guess...... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #72

It doesnt matter what they call themselves it's what principles they rhett o rick Apr 2014 #73

You don't think there ARE extreme Liberals on DU? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #74

You dont think there ARE conservatives in DU? rhett o rick Apr 2014 #81

No kidding. Marr Apr 2014 #83

"Conservative Wing" you are degrading are the real ones out there on the front lines VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #116

Why do conservative Dems always claim that no one else volunteers? Marr Apr 2014 #126

thats you....you do not a trend make... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #168

You don't make a trend, either-- and I have to say in all my years of volunteering, I haven't Marr Apr 2014 #170

who openly describes themselves as "moderates"? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #171

Seriously? /nt Marr Apr 2014 #172

Serious..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #174

Wrong. I've been on the front lines for many years and it's the lefties that are out there. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #143

I think there are REAL Republicans pretending to be Democrats on here yes..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #95

It's not enough to just vote for Democrats. Many Republicans call themselves Democrats. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #148

Anyone who tries to defend putting SS 'on the table' is not a Liberal. Anyone who opposes that is sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #167

Elizabeth Warren switched from Republican, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #122

Your logic needs a lot of work. What her principles are have nothing to do with which party rhett o rick Apr 2014 #145

But if she can change principles, Progressive dog Apr 2014 #175

Nope, but I've seen plenty of right-wing democrats in my time Scootaloo Apr 2014 #75

Please point some out.....I keep hearing about them.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #77

I don't think it's a glut, at least on DU Scootaloo Apr 2014 #86

Have you noticed that I don't care what you think about how often I post..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #117

having been on DU for 10 years, the people you speak of, come and go. they get TS'd, but more take dionysus Apr 2014 #195

She is NOT a challenge to it....she IS IT VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #115

Just another round of primary wars starting early... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #4

The upcoming primary season is going to be a fucking nightmare. cyberswede Apr 2014 #15

Do you mean the 2014 primary season? MineralMan Apr 2014 #106

I was referring to the 2016 presidential primary season... cyberswede Apr 2014 #127

Ah. I see. Well, that season won't be coming up until after MineralMan Apr 2014 #130

Ok. And the upcoming presidential primary season is going to be a fucking nightmare. nt cyberswede Apr 2014 #142

Swerved right around that pedantry. +1. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2014 #184

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It;s just like running into a bull pen Autumn Apr 2014 #5

Well put. And it seems to come from the same crowd quinnox Apr 2014 #7

You got that right. And of course there is the GOTV 2014 crowd. Autumn Apr 2014 #10

For sure! It is ridiculous. quinnox Apr 2014 #14

And the ones who take posters to task for Autumn Apr 2014 #21

lol, you got it. I guess the whole election will be blown if duers don't spend every waking moment quinnox Apr 2014 #22

... and completely ignoring that the "game is rigged" message is important this year, too. n/t winter is coming Apr 2014 #17

We don't have much more time. We have to un rig that game, while we can. Autumn Apr 2014 #23

I suggest electing a Congress with a Democratic majority in 2014, then. MineralMan Apr 2014 #112

And guess what? We can fucking do both. Autumn Apr 2014 #134

Apparently you have been failing to notice the Beyond bit. MineralMan Apr 2014 #137

You mean election activists who believe the 2014 election is important? MineralMan Apr 2014 #111

Thank you. Skidmore Apr 2014 #118

Exactly.....but punching Hillary MUST be tolerated. VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #121

I won't commit to Hilllary this far out. Skidmore Apr 2014 #128

I haven't "committed" to Hillary Clinton either....she hasn't put her hat in..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #129

You and I are in the same place. Skidmore Apr 2014 #131

Of course it's important. If you don't want to talk about 2016 then don't. Autumn Apr 2014 #133

Of course they are free to do that. MineralMan Apr 2014 #135

You focus on what you will. I have no problem with GOTV 2014 or discussing 2016 Autumn Apr 2014 #138

Again, thanks so much for the permission. MineralMan Apr 2014 #139

Suggestions are more effective. I imagine if Skinner objects to us talking about 2016 Autumn Apr 2014 #140

The "Beyond" came after posts about being able to focus on more than one thing at a time. merrily Apr 2014 #176

And then there is this epithet..."Authoritarian" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #34

Indeed. Stop posting about 2014 election activism, dammit! MineralMan Apr 2014 #113

I know right? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #114

Authoritarians, I guess. MineralMan Apr 2014 #124

Me either....totally agree! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #125

Perhaps because she isn't running? BainsBane Apr 2014 #6

Well, then just ignore or trash the threads that speculate about it. quinnox Apr 2014 #8

That is precisely what I do BainsBane Apr 2014 #12

+++1000 VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #35

Yet here you are, posting in this thread. Scuba Apr 2014 #91

^^^THIS ++10000000^^^ blue14u Apr 2014 #110

Warren ain't running....or do you support a liar? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #119

I support Warren blue14u Apr 2014 #158

bullying....hahahahaha.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #159

Wow just wow...U are certainly welcome to blue14u Apr 2014 #162

I have said all along....I vote for the Democrat that wins the Primary.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #180

No one's running right now Art_from_Ark Apr 2014 #178

More to the point, her protestations haven't been squirrelly either--they've been flat-out, HELL NO, MADem Apr 2014 #85

So true BainsBane Apr 2014 #92

and when she doesn't perform that magic..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #123

Economic equality is the one area we've made virtually zero progress on under Obama... Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #181

I think Hillary Clinton, POTUS, would nominate Elizabeth Warren, Senator, as her Treasury Secretary. MADem Apr 2014 #182

Look, I'd vote for Hillary Clinton in a general election no question Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #186

I think she'll take a look at a lot more than EW's message. MADem Apr 2014 #188

Krugman for Fed. joshcryer Apr 2014 #190

"It's as if she's regarded as a commodity" joshcryer Apr 2014 #191

That kind of argument (Mean Old POTUS, poor bullied EW) advances a narrative, MADem Apr 2014 #193

So no Hillary posts either? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #88

That's different tkmorris Apr 2014 #93

Most of the Hillary Posts....are detractors my friend..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #120

And support for Hillary Clinton gets the same rsults. sufrommich Apr 2014 #9

The difference is hat Clinton gets bashed. bornskeptic Apr 2014 #101

Exactly....the only people repeatedly posting ABOUT Hillary.....are those VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #160

You've stated the essential truth, here. MADem Apr 2014 #192

I enjoy fact based discussion of candidates and issues - hedgehog Apr 2014 #11

So this flamebait is from a Hillary supporter? NCTraveler Apr 2014 #13

Believe it or not, I can support Hillary and not care if others want to support other candidates quinnox Apr 2014 #16

Apparently you aren't able to. That is obvious. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #18

Exactly....they do go on and on while speaking out of both sides of the mouth don't they? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #36

Some of us are screwed because we support them both. Autumn Apr 2014 #25

Agree with every word you typed. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #29

And if Bernie jumps in the race I will be a very happy person. Autumn Apr 2014 #37

If Bernie jumps in Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #46

Right now most of my excitement revolves around Warren. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #47

So true and you are so right. If the financial situation they have created is not changed, Autumn Apr 2014 #53

It's natural that our excitement would revolve around Warren, she in politics Autumn Apr 2014 #89

Me too. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #98

+10000 dionysus Apr 2014 #196

I haven't seen much of what you claim. But it fits your narrative. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #19

I think its projection ... DU has regular threads attacking Hillary ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #24

Or mentioning that she signed a letter encouraging her to run.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #38

During the recent Warren thread fun ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #51

Slow learners huh? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #54

+1000 Peacetrain Apr 2014 #55

+1 treestar Apr 2014 #146

Wait, we can have different opinions on different things? joshcryer Apr 2014 #187

I've noticed a certain fondness for "Orwellian" lately. nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #52

Oh you are just a "poopyhead" for pointing THAT one out.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #56

You Better Believe it ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #63

'd'idn't 'f'ucking 'k'now about that. Thanks for your vote, and thanks for msanthrope Apr 2014 #69

Its the nature of the perpetually disgruntled. nt JoePhilly Apr 2014 #80

This crew is loaded to the gills Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #41

Hello!!! Peacetrain Apr 2014 #48

And the best part is .....we HAVE an impressive "ground game" in place..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #57

Yes we do! Peacetrain Apr 2014 #61

Agreed!!! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #64

Your comment reminds me of a theory I have ... curious what you think ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #76

That is the point.....and proceeds to a thought I keep having... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #79

Exactly. I've said 100 times that if EW won the WH treestar Apr 2014 #147

I think so too. The way she answered JoePhilly Apr 2014 #149

Personality cults. joshcryer Apr 2014 #194

Thank you!!! YOU hit is out of the ballpark....we tend to be the Democrats who actually DO... msanthrope Apr 2014 #70

It goes beyond that. My activism is in a district represented MineralMan Apr 2014 #132

Since doing that, have you held Betty's feet to the fire? treestar Apr 2014 #150

I correspond with her regularly, and chatted with her MineralMan Apr 2014 #155

And you're criticized on this Democratic board mcar Apr 2014 #152

Not everyone's priorities MineralMan Apr 2014 #156

Some of them ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #58

I like that ....."High Priests of Liberalism" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #67

+1 treestar Apr 2014 #144

I think the Warren supporters would be better off directing their efforts towards Sanders. MohRokTah Apr 2014 #20

What I want is an action packed, talent heavy primary slate of Democrats so appealing Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #26

+1000. I fully agree! quinnox Apr 2014 #28

Be still my heart. You said it Autumn Apr 2014 #33

I'd even say I value the folks who get all primary frothy, they are part of the background Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #45

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #108

If the Warren supporters spent their time building up Warren, rather than attacking JoePhilly Apr 2014 #27

Yep....they want to have their cake and eat it too.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #40

Remember, Clinton ain't runnin' either. Iggo Apr 2014 #30

She's waiting to see what Biden's plans are Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #31

I can't imagine a scenario where Biden doesn't run. Autumn Apr 2014 #39

If that happens then some heads are REALLY going to explode to discover that Biden is not as VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #42

Heads are going to explode anyway. Biden is why I think Hillary will not run. Autumn Apr 2014 #43

Maybe Biden will be ready for a quiet retirement then.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #44

And one thing we do know....right now no one has said they are running. Autumn Apr 2014 #50

If Hillary wants to run then Biden will be shoved to the curb hack89 Apr 2014 #84

If Biden wants to be Prez, he will run and Obama WILL back him Autumn Apr 2014 #90

Hillary has the organization hack89 Apr 2014 #102

"An "its his turn" candidate will not gain much traction with the electorate" Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #105

No - I was referring to the supposed tradition of a VP succeeding the President they served. hack89 Apr 2014 #107

No, he won't. Beacool Apr 2014 #169

That's for sure - TBF Apr 2014 #87

She IS thinking about it....Elizabeth Warren isn't... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #60

Actually, one of them isn't running and the other one isn't running. Iggo Apr 2014 #94

i like all 3 of them, to varying degrees... dionysus Apr 2014 #49

Same here, I think all of them are good quinnox Apr 2014 #59

having been on DU since 2001, i think somewhere around 2004, the primary wars never ended, they dionysus Apr 2014 #68

For sure, but then, 2008 WAS a doozy. It will be hard to top quinnox Apr 2014 #82

"smoove johny" , would that be John Kerry ? No, John Edwards Autumn Apr 2014 #96

I was a Clinton defender in 2007-2008. joshcryer Apr 2014 #189

Good point because.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #62

Recommend. nt Zorra Apr 2014 #78

Because Inevitability™ works on the same principle that keeps Wile E. Coyote from falling after he Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #97

Meep Meep! quinnox Apr 2014 #100

Joe-mentum? Iggo Apr 2014 #103

most of Reagan's foreign-policy appointees were "ex-Dems"--ie Dems who thought that primaries MisterP Apr 2014 #99

Some people have bought into the idea that we have to have a "moderate".... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #104

If someone wants to point out the importance of 2014, more power to them. MineralMan Apr 2014 #109

It isn't Warren's turn yet. n/t leeroysphitz Apr 2014 #136

Yeah, and it wadn't Obama's either. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2014 #154

We're talking about elections, not deli queues. winter is coming Apr 2014 #163

They are simoply ashamed of how poorly their candidate compares to a real Democrat. bvar22 Apr 2014 #141

Warren is a threat to the 'haves'. So they have to put bad juju out there in the hopes some appleannie1 Apr 2014 #151

if people want to root for someone for president who isn't even running arely staircase Apr 2014 #153

Just ignore it. pacalo Apr 2014 #157

Love it! RiffRandell Apr 2014 #166

Poor Walter -- I did like him. pacalo Apr 2014 #173

only Putinistas don't support the corporate choice Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #161

I favor free speech at DU and a lively, authentic primary in the real world. merrily Apr 2014 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #179

I don't see anything wrong with it. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #183

I think that you got the whole thing backward. DU is drooling over Warren. Beacool Apr 2014 #197