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Comrade Grumpy

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2. Here's what NORML has to say about that:
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 04:48 PM
Apr 2014

Dr. Mitch Earleywine is Professor of Psychology and director of clinical training at SUNY-Albany. He is the author of "Understanding Marijuana: A New Look at the Scientific Evidence."

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New Study Tells Nothing About Marijuana’s Role in Heart Disease

by Mitch Earleywine
A new study on marijuana appeared in Journal of the American Heart Association. These are interesting data, but we have to interpret them very carefully.

Sure, we know cannabis can raise heart rate briefly, but most users develop tolerance to the effect. We’ve also seen (in a much larger sample) that it doesn’t increase mortality rates even among survivors of heart attacks.

But the new study made the news anyway. Investigators specifically searched a French database where physicians are legally bound to report any drug-related case that they view as “leading to temporary or permanent functional incapacity or disability, to inpatient hospitalization or prolongation of existing hospitalization, to congenital anomalies, or to an immediate vital risk or death.”

They then looked for cannabis users and found a shade less than 2,000 in the past 5 years. It’s impossible to know what that number means without knowing the number of people these physicians saw or how many patients used cannabis and did not end up reported to this database.

They then found a whopping 35 of these who had cardiac complications. It is impossible to know what to make of this number without knowing the number of cannabis users in France, which the authors report is 1.2 million. If you divide 35 by 1.2 million you get roughly .00003. I’m guessing that not all these cannabis users went to the doctor and not every person who used cannabis and had cardiac complications fessed up to the doctor, so let’s say that we’re off by two orders of magnitude. Let’s give the prohibitionists the benefit of the doubt and multiply by 100. That’d put the rate of problems up to .003.

If those are the chances of having cardiac complications as a French cannabis user, my first thought is that using cannabis protects people from cardiac problems. We need a comparison group of people who don’t use cannabis to know their rate of cardiac problems, but, as the authors point out, we simply don’t have those data. The closest estimates were 57 per 10,000 people, based on another study, which is .0057, or almost twice as bad as the rate among the cannabis users (after our generous overestimation). I’m not going to hold my breath for the the headline, “Cut your heart disease in half with cannabis.”

In short, this study tells us a lot about what kinds of cardiac complications appeared in people who were reported to the French government for cannabis-related problems, but tells us little about the link between cannabis use and cardiovascular disease.

- See more at: http://blog.norml.org/#sthash.JXNyJUnn.dpuf

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Thank you for your concern trolling 4now Apr 2014 #1
Here's what NORML has to say about that: Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #2
Of course this will be ignored, the narrative must stand. nt. Rex Apr 2014 #14
"There is a strong association with schizophrenia. That much is proven." antiquie Apr 2014 #3
Association is NOT causation Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #20
Yes. That's what meta analysis has shown RainDog Apr 2014 #23
Right - for some people it may be causative, we don't know how to distinguish that Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #24
But the meta analyses ruled out causation RainDog Apr 2014 #26
They didn't rule out causation in indivduals Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #28
If individuals were at risk for schizo-affective disorders RainDog Apr 2014 #30
It's interesting that someone was writing about this RainDog Apr 2014 #29
Chances are, these "case studies" were couch-potatoes long before smoking weed... Cooley Hurd Apr 2014 #4
These studies are ridiculous... First of all, what kind of weed was it? SomethingFishy Apr 2014 #11
and my munchies were always for fresh whole foods like fruits & veggies eShirl Apr 2014 #12
My point is that a specialized reporting system is being suggested Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #25
taurine metabolic byproduct. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #5
Thank gawd we have prohibition to save these young people. n/t theaocp Apr 2014 #6
Here some FUD, there some FUD, everywhere some FUD FUD! Rex Apr 2014 #7
Thank you for posting this…this sounds important for anyone who wants to start young and.. Tikki Apr 2014 #8
because your physician will have as much data as went into and came out of this study: zero. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #15
Or he will have info… Tikki Apr 2014 #16
Or if you have early symptoms. Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #19
Yes, we need to tell our physicians everything we regularly put into our systems. Tikki Apr 2014 #22
Which it will not necessarily be if a mandatory reporting system is instituted. Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author antiquie Apr 2014 #9
I've been smoking pot for over 30 years Politicalboi Apr 2014 #10
Exactly - some people can't eat wheat - Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #18
6 Sodas? otohara Apr 2014 #37
Thanks for posting. Union Scribe Apr 2014 #13
Good information RainDog Apr 2014 #17
paranoia, with munchies? Who knew? 2pooped2pop Apr 2014 #21
Now that pot will soon be legal everywhere the fear mongering Lint Head Apr 2014 #31
In people prone to vasoconstriction, pot has caused amputations. Yo_Mama Apr 2014 #32
For people with ulcers aspirin can cause them to bleed and death. Lint Head Apr 2014 #34
And the tobacco had absolutely no effect? Give me a break. hobbit709 Apr 2014 #36
All those reported were cigarette smokers, too RainDog Apr 2014 #38
"higher caloric intake"... Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #33
I think the suggestion that marijuana is somehow a miracle drug that never brings harm and cures hedgehog Apr 2014 #35
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