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saras

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5. What I'm reading here makes the bill look VILE, UTTERLY INAPPROPRIATE, and typical for Bush
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 03:57 PM
Dec 2011

Detention is clearly and unequivocally illegal under international law. A mediocre law would have closed the loophole, a good one would have required prosecutions for Bush-era violations.

Anything that helps dismantle and outlaw the current system in favor of respecting international law would be a vast improvement. This bill serves to strengthen current "there's no law stopping us, so we can do what we want" attitudes. A good law would allow nothing except for what was explicitly permitted.

They're still requiring the defense to use military lawyers working for the prosecution instead of neutral ones working for the defendant.

Comparing to the Reagan/Bush era as "years past" is disingenuous to say the least. Why not compare to the situation of NOT BREAKING ANY INTERNATIONAL LAW OR TREATY?

The sheer naivete of Lawfare suggesting the purpose of these laws is to "protect the nation" pretty much places them in the radical right fringe. NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT WHATSOEVER of Bush's illegal reign, and a general attitude that everything the Bush administration set in place was normal, constitutional, acceptably written law that only existed for the overt stated purposes. That puts them pretty far out there in la-la-land.

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Not enough Greenwald style hysteria. phleshdef Dec 2011 #1
You think Greenwald's continued mistaken conclusions are arrived at in good faith? great white snark Dec 2011 #7
Hehe, I'm not really sure if they are or not. phleshdef Dec 2011 #10
have proof he is mistaken and being dishonest intentionally? fascisthunter Dec 2011 #14
Oh good--I'm NOT the only person on the planet who's actually READ the language. TheWraith Dec 2011 #2
Before the revisions, it apparently would have *required* the President to detain U.S. citizens ... dawg Dec 2011 #3
US citizens were exempted. Problem was, it would have required ANYONE be detained by the military. TheWraith Dec 2011 #6
I dont' think it's accurate to say U.S. citizens are exempted. dawg Dec 2011 #9
The ONLY circumstances are if said individual is found to be working for Al-Qaeda or planning an FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #11
You mean "accused" of doing those things, planning those things. dawg Dec 2011 #15
No, ProSense Dec 2011 #12
The lengthy passage you cite doesn't say what you claim. dawg Dec 2011 #13
No ProSense Dec 2011 #18
Show me a simple quote where the President says ... dawg Dec 2011 #19
You know ProSense Dec 2011 #21
That link is to a 12 page document dealing with Gitmo. dawg Dec 2011 #22
What do you think of Lawfare? What do you know about them? bigtree Dec 2011 #4
What I'm reading here makes the bill look VILE, UTTERLY INAPPROPRIATE, and typical for Bush saras Dec 2011 #5
Problem is that by signing this law, Obama will be ratifying JDPriestly Dec 2011 #8
So whatever's in the USA PATRIOT Act goes? Octafish Dec 2011 #16
Wow, a sober analysis!!! JoePhilly Dec 2011 #17
Sorry, you can put lipstick on a pig all you want fascisthunter Dec 2011 #20
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