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In reply to the discussion: Video of Zimmerman on police camera the night of the shooting. [View all]TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)My very bad break never swelled at all and I never got any black eyes. Not every broken nose is the same or acts the same. One would think this is common sense just as no broken leg or broken arm is the same. I'm discouraged that there are many people claiming based on a grainy video that his nose was uninjured when in FACT one can have a very bad break of the nose with no visible trauma - it all depends on the break. Mine was a very bad break and there was nothing at all obvious to anyone other than me that it was... no blood, no swelling, no black eyes, etc. My own family members couldn't tell either when they looked close up right in my face unless I held up a pencil along the ridge because that was the only way to tell that it was no longer entirely straight. It was only the x-rays that showed how bad it was because with my particular bad break the damage was mostly on the inside.
I don't recall any claims by the media or the police that he was a "bloody mess". The police report only said he had blood coming from his nose and a laceration on the back of his head. NONE of that says a "bloody mess", and it is entirely possible for him to have had blood coming from his nose that was not a gusher because not every nose injury is the same as every other. We also know that while he sat in the police car his injuries however slight they may have been were attended to, so we know he was cleaned up of blood at the scene before he got to the police station. I've had a very badly broken nose with no visible sign of trauma. I've seen many people get a nose injury and no two were exactly alike... some bled, some didn't and some bled only a little; some swelled, some didn't and some swelled only a little; some got bruising around the eyes or one eye; some didn't, and some only a very little.
It isn't possible to claim that Zimmerman had no broken nose or no injury to his nose based on a grainy video and what little has been revealed in police reports. But that DOESN'T MATTER. It doesn't matter a damn whether or not Zimmerman got into a physical altercation with Martin. It was still Zimmerman that with a visible holstered gun on his waist pursued Martin for no good reason even when he was told not to and shot him which STILL makes him the instigator and STILL gives Martin reason to be in fear of this stranger that we KNOW was chasing him, thus STILL gives Martin reason to have gotten into a physical altercation with Zimmerman that he was legally allowed to do under the Stand Your Ground law, and depending on the circumstances would still have been legally excusable even without the Stand Your Ground law especially since we do know that Martin DID attempt to retreat from Zimmerman who chased him.
Basing whether or not Zimmerman had the injuries claimed in the police report on a grainy video AFTER he was attended to at the scene is both pointless and stupid particularly when it DOESN'T MATTER whether he had the injuries or not.