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154. Back Of The Head

Wed Mar 28, 2012, 10:24 PM

Mar 2012

Could be seen quite well and I looked for an indication of a cut that Zimmerman claimed required stitches but when he went to the hospital later they said it was too late. There was no indication of blood, a cut or a bandage. The police took his shirt for evidence but I'm not sure when that happened but likely before he was taken to the station. I have never heard of where any blood was found on the sidewalk and Zimmerman's blood should have been there from his head being slammed repeatedly on the sidewalk. No physical evidence has been shown to support Zimmerman's claim and that is where the police work looks the worst. The lead homicide detective thought Zimmerman was telling a cock and bull story and recommended an arrest. A 13 year old eye witness said it was dark and that he really only saw 1 person and heard what he said was a young voice calling for help. His mom called 911 as soon as the son returned to the house and both on on tape.

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Video of Zimmerman on police camera the night of the shooting. [View all] Fawke Em Mar 2012 OP

Possibly related to the fact Riftaxe Mar 2012 #1

But wouldn't a gash still be present? Fawke Em Mar 2012 #3

Mine bled hard the first time, at the very least it probably should be swollen or out of place ..the polly7 Mar 2012 #9

The head and face bleed a LOT USArmyParatrooper Mar 2012 #43

Yes, they do, as I found out with the ambulance. polly7 Mar 2012 #47

I work in a Level One ER. This man is not injured, I agree. K Gardner Mar 2012 #166

Maybe the blood was cleaned up, where is Trayvon's blood? Kurska Mar 2012 #182

Maybe he didn't shoot Trayvon at close range. yardwork Mar 2012 #189

When I broke my nose it didn't bleed at all TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #87

The police report said that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and mouth. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #95

but im sure it was swollen, at the very least got root Mar 2012 #111

why would it be? TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #140

You're right about all of that. polly7 Mar 2012 #144

well, I DO see something on the back of his head TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #178

if someone was in a fight for their very life, enough to suffer a BROKEN NOSE, and had been bleeding got root Mar 2012 #149

what is it that you aren't getting here? TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #181

the police report said he was, so someone is lying got root Mar 2012 #185

IMO Mr Dixon Mar 2012 #191

One witness said the "guy on top" was wearing a white t-shirt. hisownpetard Mar 2012 #171

Back Of The Head DallasNE Mar 2012 #154

I broke mine. It bled for a long time too, and I had gashes on my upper lip. My JDPriestly Mar 2012 #175

And I saw no blood on his shirt. That may have been what they were looking at his jacket for. jwirr Mar 2012 #193

And had his shirt washed? Dead_Parrot Mar 2012 #34

Exactly, not just a bloody nose, a broken nose. Incitatus Mar 2012 #71

No sign of any treatment. His shaved head is clean. No blood, no wounds, no bandages. yardwork Mar 2012 #89

treated mbuch64 Mar 2012 #105

if he was treated, the cops would have gloves on grasswire Mar 2012 #119

Yes, there would have been. nt. polly7 Mar 2012 #161

They must have gotten to Zimmerman pretty fast with that "treatment" ... 99th_Monkey Mar 2012 #180

it's not that grainy... spanone Mar 2012 #2

linky CatWoman Mar 2012 #38

ABC put a banner in the video obscuring the back of his head..... Evasporque Mar 2012 #192

For those who have Current TV Fawke Em Mar 2012 #4

I don't see anything either. polly7 Mar 2012 #5

And a head gash bleeds like crazy. Even a little one. alphafemale Mar 2012 #17

Yes, head wounds bleed and bleed. polly7 Mar 2012 #22

Yep, wrestlers will create a teeny tiny cut in their head arcane1 Mar 2012 #55

gash, shit, i nick my head shaving and its a bleedathon! dionysus Mar 2012 #104

Also, there's something obviously missing. Fuddnik Mar 2012 #116

I notice George has the same haircut as his buddies, the cops. yardwork Mar 2012 #122

There's no surprise, as he's a cop wannabe. gkhouston Mar 2012 #141

I have a ginormous monitor on my Mac. I think the back of his head looks banged up a bit. slackmaster Mar 2012 #6

It always looks a bit unclean. That man has not been beaten. eom leveymg Mar 2012 #12

I see some "grunge," which may be hair growing in or debris, Fawke Em Mar 2012 #16

those are probably marks from a forceps delivery... stlsaxman Mar 2012 #19

I can't see anything either way on my pathetic HP laptop screen. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #23

I'm looking on a 73" Mitsubishi DLP screen. mbperrin Mar 2012 #65

I think I see a little bit of something on the back of his head TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #90

A head wound bleeds out. I have had one small one. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #102

Then post a blown up screen shot of his head! Logical Mar 2012 #93

I don't believe the resolution in the video is high enough to tell. I'll wait for the police photos. slackmaster Mar 2012 #190

I hope you are right! Seems like they would have! Logical Mar 2012 #201

me too... but i ain't seeing what you're seeing got root Mar 2012 #113

I don't see any fucking blood CatWoman Mar 2012 #7

+1000 mfcorey1 Mar 2012 #15

That says it all. yardwork Mar 2012 #103

I'm sure they have a courtesy "powder your nose" kit in the back of the squad car deutsey Mar 2012 #151

5th Rec. Not a scratch or a speck of remorse. Cops very casual with him - BFFEs. Front page this. leveymg Mar 2012 #8

Nice catch.... OhioChick Mar 2012 #10

THAT does NOT look like a man who'd just been in a fight to the death requiring lethal force. nt TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #11

Of course that is not the legal standard, but you knew that ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #37

Um, the legal standard is indeed to fear for one's life or "great bodily harm" TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #85

The problem is that untrained people who get their bell rung often think they have been injured ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #157

I think you're misreading the law in 2 important ways TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #172

Actually we are in agreement on some of this ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #173

What I guess I don't understand is why you seem to choose to ignore TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #176

For a self defense argument to work, all the elements have to lineup ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #198

No, I am focusing on the entire thing, not just one part TeamsterDem Mar 2012 #199

I'm comparing the video to what Zimmerman's attorneys said, and it doesn't match. yardwork Mar 2012 #96

Its the kind of evidence we have all been waiting for...now if only the SA would arrest him ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #158

Yup. He looks ok to my untrained eye. PotatoChip Mar 2012 #13

Maybe the police stopped by Zimm's house dmkinsey Mar 2012 #146

....and left that out of their reports. Because all suspects get to change clothes first, right? yardwork Mar 2012 #164

WOW... he flat out lied... gee, are we surprised fascisthunter Mar 2012 #14

What clothing did that cop throw in the trunk of the car? n/t malaise Mar 2012 #18

His jacket alfredo Mar 2012 #25

Looks like a protective vest. (aka "bulletproof vest") n/t X_Digger Mar 2012 #27

He looks pretty fit for someone who was just in a life and death struggle. Glimmer of Hope Mar 2012 #20

That can't be the right video. Where is the short, fat, white guy? Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #21

His "maybe friend or acquaintance or co-worker" Joe What-his-name Fawke Em Mar 2012 #29

Yeah, he won't be playing for the NBA anytime soon, but he looks like a totally different guy Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #33

He doesn't look like he's been in a fight notadmblnd Mar 2012 #24

There was *something* on his back.. X_Digger Mar 2012 #30

Yeah, I was struck by the casual body language, too. n/t intheflow Mar 2012 #35

Anyone who has had a badly bleeding nose even without being... Spazito Mar 2012 #26

True. I used to get bloody noses from sinus infections Fawke Em Mar 2012 #28

Me too, Fawke Em. I used to get bloody noses at least 5 days a week. Messy, messy!! Ecumenist Mar 2012 #170

and the police KNEW he lied. spanone Mar 2012 #32

It certainly seems to becoming much clearer that the DA has a lot of.... Spazito Mar 2012 #42

I would say the police released this video to back up their statements Fawke Em Mar 2012 #66

I wonder if this could be a 'war' of leaks... Spazito Mar 2012 #86

Yep.. that's why I think someone at the department leaked it in Fawke Em Mar 2012 #88

It had to be somebody at the station who leaked it, right? yardwork Mar 2012 #107

Usually those tapes are kept in case their subpeonaed. Fawke Em Mar 2012 #110

Lawrence O'Donnell just interviewed the ABC reporter who got the video and... Spazito Mar 2012 #148

He's a valuable snitch to somebody is all I can think. mbperrin Mar 2012 #167

That is where my thoughts went as well... Spazito Mar 2012 #195

Could be why the police wanted a manslaughter warrant against him. uppityperson Mar 2012 #134

doesn't look like there's much blood on his body either Bluerthanblue Mar 2012 #31

looks fine to me. barbtries Mar 2012 #36

interesting...who videotaped this? it's not a static camera, it follows them as they walk. spanone Mar 2012 #39

It's a motion-led surveillance camera. Fawke Em Mar 2012 #70

Anything's possible, but if that dude was punched square in the nose hard enough to knock alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #40

He must have been hurt only on the inside MrScorpio Mar 2012 #41

I had a clear picture and there was no evidence of anything wet on the front shraby Mar 2012 #44

here's the link, Shraby CatWoman Mar 2012 #45

Clear enough. No injury to him and he's not upset. Notice the cuff, though. freshwest Mar 2012 #46

Cuffs mandatory. He knew his way inside, cops didn't have to lead him. He knew that place well leveymg Mar 2012 #53

Can't tell, but it seemed very relaxed, huh? Just another day... freshwest Mar 2012 #58

Almost apologetic. The arresting officers to Zimmerman, I mean. leveymg Mar 2012 #64

I'll bet he's been on a lot of ride-alongs. yardwork Mar 2012 #109

If the roles had been reversed, and George was dead and Trayvon at the police station, beyurslf Mar 2012 #48

If It Had Been Trayvon with the Gun and the White Judges Son Lying Dead on the Street AndyTiedye Mar 2012 #162

i've always had the strangest feeling Algebra Palin Mar 2012 #49

Any lawyer who lies that Zimmerman had broken nose & lacerations to head should be DIS-BARRED. Faryn Balyncd Mar 2012 #50

Not just disbarred, they should be criminally charged with accessory to murder Bjorn Against Mar 2012 #77

Match this with the 911 call a few minutes earlier.. SamG Mar 2012 #51

that it's self Maine-ah Mar 2012 #121

well, if thats him... i would have arrested him, too... not buying his 'self defense' story... got root Mar 2012 #52

OMG that f**kin liar! workinclasszero Mar 2012 #54

Too bad there's no charge for lying your ass off on teevee. freshwest Mar 2012 #79

It was raining out.. Shouldn't his clothes be messed up and dirty? ThomThom Mar 2012 #56

That's right, some of the RW claim he tried to give the kid CPR or whatever. freshwest Mar 2012 #81

Broken nose? The Midway Rebel Mar 2012 #57

They need to start talking about his dad being retired judge marlakay Mar 2012 #59

And the prosecutor who let him off, again. leveymg Mar 2012 #63

Paramedics probably were washing Trayvon's blood from Zimmerman itsrobert Mar 2012 #60

Back splatter. Fawke Em Mar 2012 #62

Ed Shultz is playing it over and over malaise Mar 2012 #61

So is Olbermann. Fawke Em Mar 2012 #68

I wish Olbermann was on my cable list malaise Mar 2012 #82

Per Zimmerman thru Oliver Iliyah Mar 2012 #67

If Zimmerman was seriously injured nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #69

Me, too. Fawke Em Mar 2012 #72

Former medic nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #78

That is a man with no injuries whatsoever. None. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #97

Well, I expect to see some more creative writing from John nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #106

Oliver is a psycho. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #120

Or his mother is the mother in law nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #123

Ahhh.... puzzle pieces that fit. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #155

There is a reason CNN fired him. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #196

He's Zimmerman's brother? Really? Spider Jerusalem Mar 2012 #187

Olivers wife is supppsedly a friend of Zimmys MIL. HooptieWagon Mar 2012 #194

I've decided that Oliver is not being paid. Nobody would pay for that script. yardwork Mar 2012 #125

Yeah. He is a few Crayolas short of a full box. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #156

I read "not the hottest burner on the stove" here earlier this evening. Another good one. yardwork Mar 2012 #165

+1 yardwork Mar 2012 #112

cop was looking at the back of his head Enrique Mar 2012 #73

If there was blood on his clothes fifthoffive Mar 2012 #74

My thoughts also since the PD has tried to paint Martin as a thug Thinkingabout Mar 2012 #202

Arrest the killer Zimmerman now! workinclasszero Mar 2012 #75

This is so disturbing qanda Mar 2012 #76

Looks like the Keystone cops. A cop putting his hands on Zimmerman's jacket... Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #80

Zimmerman's shirt is neatly tucked in. His clothes look clean, PA Democrat Mar 2012 #83

Zimmerman's little right wing pals not liking this one Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #84

The picture certainly IS becoming more clear Fawke Em Mar 2012 #92

The coverup falls apart! workinclasszero Mar 2012 #91

Speculation kramerv Mar 2012 #94

Are we SURE there was an ambulance? Maybe I missed something. mucifer Mar 2012 #99

Could you be more specific in what... one_voice Mar 2012 #100

No idea kramerv Mar 2012 #114

May not prove anything, but I don't think a jury is going to like George very much after seeing this yardwork Mar 2012 #117

Agree on that point kramerv Mar 2012 #126

Speaking of juries...... Kingofalldems Mar 2012 #130

It may not prove anything... one_voice Mar 2012 #129

He was treated. That much we know. Fawke Em Mar 2012 #108

I think kramerv is speculating that this might be a change of clothes alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #131

Even with a change of clothes there's still no apparent wounds to head or face. yardwork Mar 2012 #136

Interesting that the cops would have allowed him a change of clothes, if that's the case. n/t gkhouston Mar 2012 #143

....and left that out of their reports from the scene. yardwork Mar 2012 #147

I doubt he changed clothes. If he did, his old clothes should have been bagged as evidence. n/t gkhouston Mar 2012 #150

broken nose-where's the x-ray? Swagman Mar 2012 #184

Welcome to DU. I see this is your very first post here! yardwork Mar 2012 #115

If he was properly treated shimonitanegi Mar 2012 #118

It healed magically during the ride to the station. /sarcasm yardwork Mar 2012 #124

Lol kramerv Mar 2012 #127

E.T. lives! Spazito Mar 2012 #200

You haven't read the police report? Your questions are answered by the Police themselves. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #133

New Zimmerman pics kramerv Apr 2012 #203

I have stitched up scalp lacerations. They bleed like hell. mainer Mar 2012 #98

Not only no sign of an injury -- no sign of any treatment. TahitiNut Mar 2012 #142

When my son banged his head against the corner of a wall deutsey Mar 2012 #153

I heard that Zimmerman was on the edge of death shimonitanegi Mar 2012 #101

He sure cleans up nice, don't he now alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #132

pics got root Mar 2012 #137

Where are the bandages on his head? Wasn't he treated at the scene? cags Mar 2012 #128

It was stated that EMS looked at him in the police car ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #159

Too bad there's no audio. GreatCaesarsGhost Mar 2012 #135

George seems to be laughing at one point, or at least chuckling. yardwork Mar 2012 #138

police cover-up....obviously SHRED Mar 2012 #139

Lying sacks of shit deutsey Mar 2012 #145

Has it been determined that Zimmerman was photographed by the police when he was brought in? Mayberry Machiavelli Mar 2012 #152

Unknown. The SA is also sitting on the EMS report as well ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #160

SA = "State's Attorney"? Mayberry Machiavelli Mar 2012 #163

Yes, my apologies for the short hand ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #168

Wow, I got my lights punched out -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2012 #169

The *casualness* & the devil-may-care attitude of the police caught my attention, too. pacalo Mar 2012 #174

Watch how Zimmerman scardycat Mar 2012 #177

Why is "ABC NEWS EXCLUSIVE!!" plastered all over Zimmerman's face for first 3/4 of the video? 99th_Monkey Mar 2012 #179

Easy to check if his nose was broken via an x-ray Swagman Mar 2012 #183

Not even a pimple... Hubert Flottz Mar 2012 #186

Was Zimmerman checked for concussion and why no bandage on head? soccer1 Mar 2012 #188

Y'think the way Zimmerman Iliyah Mar 2012 #197