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123. If you repeat the same again...

Reply to Drunken Irishman (Reply #122)

Sat Apr 26, 2014, 06:54 PM

Apr 2014

... it'll be even more true!

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Democrats Who Move Right Lose Elections – There Is No “Center” [View all] kpete Apr 2014 OP

Give The Genn'lman A Big Ceegar, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2014 #1

Even worse - 40 years ago they would have been Republicans, but they've been thrown out corkhead Apr 2014 #31

SshHH! truedelphi Apr 2014 #52

Couldn't agree more. Those who argue for moving right to capture the mythical middle ... Scuba Apr 2014 #2

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2014 #11

If Clinton-Sachs is nominated and runs against Bush, the middle will rhett o rick Apr 2014 #83

and what evidence do you have of that. All the poll numbers seem to disagree with your assessment lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #128

BINGO GOPee Apr 2014 #45

Read this post! Enthusiast Apr 2014 #50

+ 1,000,000,000 What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #57

Great example Scuba! Our NY Gov is yet another fine example of placating to Wall St and the 1% adirondacker Apr 2014 #58

True, the public wants liberal Democrats, but we can't ignore that ... Mondavi Apr 2014 #59

Obama is POTUS because of liberals & progressives ...not rw dems. L0oniX Apr 2014 #115

Completely true that liberals and progressives supported Obama.... Mondavi Apr 2014 #124

We were thrown under the bus right after his first election. L0oniX Apr 2014 #125

"Even if they win, we lose." cyberswede Apr 2014 #121

Too many democrats don't have the guts to stand up for their base, but rather cave in with RKP5637 Apr 2014 #3

+1000 hobbit709 Apr 2014 #5

Doubt that this is about "guts" .... Mondavi Apr 2014 #60

Quite correct! Excellent! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #62

Karl Rove understood this in NATIONAL elections... brooklynite Apr 2014 #4

Quite true, it's a tricky balance. One size does not fit all. RKP5637 Apr 2014 #6

Exactly Progressive dog Apr 2014 #15

So, so very true! If the base doesn't vote, they're not the base. mountain grammy Apr 2014 #19

I wish the Party Bosses would get this through their Le Taz Hot Apr 2014 #7

It's easier to kiss corporate ass OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #8

Tisk tisk... fleabiscuit Apr 2014 #17

for me, centrist dems are right wingers. m-lekktor Apr 2014 #9

Democrats who support corporate buying of our parties .... Mondavi Apr 2014 #79

Unfortunatley we have the biggest Dino running for governer. Charlie Crist. L0oniX Apr 2014 #10

Nah, Wisconsins has the biggest DINO gubernatorial candidate - Mary Burke .... Scuba Apr 2014 #12

Funny how it's okay to vote for or at least tacitly support certain Republicans, see Christie sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #13

Agreed. L0oniX Apr 2014 #23

Sounds very much pecwae Apr 2014 #63

Arlen Specterish. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #81

totally! BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2014 #14

It's not just that they won't vote for you -- they're less likely to work for you, too, winter is coming Apr 2014 #16

Here's what I've seen happen in my lifetime: ColesCountyDem Apr 2014 #18

None of the democrats I know want any rightward movement erronis Apr 2014 #20

In terms of Democratic leadership, there is no real need to move to truedelphi Apr 2014 #55

The $$$s will get the votes, if not erronis Apr 2014 #65

For sure, good old fashioned greed is as good an excuse for the truedelphi Apr 2014 #95

Yeah ...let em pay me for my vote. L0oniX Apr 2014 #116

I've been makining this argument since 1988. n/t Gore1FL Apr 2014 #21

DURec. bvar22 Apr 2014 #22

Then when they lose elections AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #24

Yep. After we fund the coprorations to figure out who we are allowed to vote for. raouldukelives Apr 2014 #25

Obama understood this and campaigned far to the left of his actual positions in 08. NorthCarolina Apr 2014 #26

The Party doesn't "campaign" to its base. Maedhros Apr 2014 #27

The Author is Using Karl Rove On the Road Apr 2014 #28

Times change. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #82

Karl Rove succeeded in getting a man with a brain the size of a goldfish elected. His METHODS TrollBuster9090 Apr 2014 #91

Rove ran out of room on the right. fleabiscuit Apr 2014 #97

When Rahm Emanuel asks "where else are they [liberals] going to go?" GoneFishin Apr 2014 #29

If you wnat to move to the left, the Green Party is still there... Mondavi Apr 2014 #61

Very true.... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #101

"Not as bad" rings up a lot of No Sales who want to vote for something. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #30

The opposite is certainly true of presidential elections - centrists have won, leftists have lost. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #32

I agree. Swing voters swing elections, as do Independents. pnwmom Apr 2014 #35

The problem for Kerry (assuming he really lost Ohio), Gore and Dukakis was that all three JDPriestly Apr 2014 #38

Warren has said she isn't a candidate, hasn't she? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #70

I don't think so. Not recently anyway. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #93

Here's a google search Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #94

Doesn't mean she won't run. We really need her to run. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #98

Search for Hillary, too MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #105

You ignore the fact that both Kerry and Gore won. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #49

Which is why Bush never became President, and the Iraq war never happened. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #71

People voted for Obama believing him to be far more liberal than he actually was. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #75

It depends on the state. lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #129

Yeah, Gore ran as a total leftie. vi5 Apr 2014 #54

Lieberman made clear that Gore had already given up.... Mondavi Apr 2014 #64

A centrist, to offset the fact that Gore was a liberal. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2014 #73

Gore wasn't a liberal and certainly didn't run as a liberal.... Mondavi Apr 2014 #76

Did you get dragged through a wormhole from another universe? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2014 #84

There was a reason Nader got so much traction among liberals/lefties. vi5 Apr 2014 #110

I hear purple rocks provide better cover. L0oniX Apr 2014 #117

So true. K&R. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #33

Karl Rove LOST his 2 most recent campaigns. Remember how shocked he was in Ohio? pnwmom Apr 2014 #34

Karl Rove put a chimpanzee in the White House TWICE by convincing a narrow slice of 3 million TrollBuster9090 Apr 2014 #88

Independents and swing voters also voted for Bush, not just far right Republicans. pnwmom Apr 2014 #92

No, the Supreme Court put a chimpanzee in the White House Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #120

The surpreme court Sgent Apr 2014 #131

that depends on the election (district) arely staircase Apr 2014 #36

Yes but pscot Apr 2014 #37

What if a large chunk of your base votes Republican? rrneck Apr 2014 #39

Indeed ...the more centrist they are the more likely they could vote for a centrist repuke. L0oniX Apr 2014 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author rocktivity Apr 2014 #40

Very true: Zenlitened Apr 2014 #41

Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award rocktivity Apr 2014 #42

Not true in my district. NaturalHigh Apr 2014 #43

What district? Fearless Apr 2014 #67

Northeast Oklahoma NaturalHigh Apr 2014 #104

Fabulous quote from Malcolm X: truedelphi Apr 2014 #44

This is bunk... Drunken Irishman Apr 2014 #46

So chase off everyone else AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #80

In fact, far less than 50% of eligible voters ever turn out to vote. In my experience, they usually TrollBuster9090 Apr 2014 #86

How do you know they don't turn out for that reason? Drunken Irishman Apr 2014 #89

Same old bunk... 99Forever Apr 2014 #112

That quote makes me laugh... Drunken Irishman Apr 2014 #122

If you repeat the same again... 99Forever Apr 2014 #123

Democrats who run in red states are blue dogs for a reason. Howard Dean understood this with his 50 lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #127

Yep. Mushy Middle ALWAYS Collapses. LeftOfWest Apr 2014 #47

The Democratic Party hierarchy already understand this. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #48

why do you think they had their December '10 talking points lined up so fast? MisterP Apr 2014 #130

especially in midterms & national Dems having been kicking most loyal foot soldiers, teachers yurbud Apr 2014 #51

If two politicians agree, you don't need one of 'em. If the Democrats can't come up jtuck004 Apr 2014 #53

Uh oh, speaking the truth? n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #56

Hmm... I've only been saying that for YEARS Fearless Apr 2014 #66

Reading down this thread BrotherIvan Apr 2014 #68

At last. Some one speaks the truth. Autumn Apr 2014 #69

I all but worship at the altar of move left. merrily Apr 2014 #72

Democrats will NOT get republican voters by moving to the right as well. obxhead Apr 2014 #74

I So, So Agree colsohlibgal Apr 2014 #77

Here's a blogpost I wrore in December 2010 on this subject . . . markpkessinger Apr 2014 #78

If a candidate is a Corpo/Third Way/DLC ... 99Forever Apr 2014 #85

As a trend, DINOs are going extinct... elzenmahn Apr 2014 #102

I hope you are correct... 99Forever Apr 2014 #103

, blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #87

You have to deliver for and campaign to your base voters or they don't show up Egnever Apr 2014 #90

Spying, TPP, no Wall Street prosecutions, death of net neutrality, fracking, drill baby drill pragmatic_dem Apr 2014 #96

I agree BrainMann1 Apr 2014 #99

Are you listening to this, HILLARY? elzenmahn Apr 2014 #100

Yes, absolutely. Kick and Rec n/t emulatorloo Apr 2014 #106

Ah, the myth of the "uncompromising" George W. Bush Recursion Apr 2014 #107

+ 100000! "Democrats moving to the "middle" is a double disaster Zorra Apr 2014 #108

the leadership and power players of the democratic party.... tomp Apr 2014 #109

Appealing to people who will never vote for you The Wizard Apr 2014 #111

Love this post! Huge K&R! Kermitt Gribble Apr 2014 #113

If they don't vote, they aren't the base. treestar Apr 2014 #114

How'd that work out for Mitt Romney? Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #119

Do you believe that a base voter in a red state is different then a base voter in blue state? lostincalifornia Apr 2014 #126