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Douglas Carpenter

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Sun Apr 27, 2014, 10:02 AM Apr 2014

Has there been a MAJOR shift to the left in the political paradigm in the last ten years? [View all]

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It seems to me that back in the 90's, the New Deal was dead and buried. As President Clinton said, "The era of big government was over." Conservative Democrats who called themselves centrist, third way or "New Democrats" were about as far to the left as you could go in the mainstream of American body politic. And they did actually appear left-wing compared to the alternative. After September 11, 2001 things got expeditiously worse - far worse. And even "New Democrats" hated America according to a narrative that had become completely mainstream. Even cautious policies that would have been previously considered conservative had become defined as far left.

Since then it seems to me that a very positive but gradual shift to a more sound direction has occurred. Now there are voices well to the left of the third way that are working their way into the mainstream of political debate. Now the "liberals hate America" meme that had some sting in 2001 to 2004 has lost most of its audience. Now the awareness that income inequality is reaching the whole country and one is no longer immediately shouted down for pointing out the obvious.

Am I being delusionally optimistic or has their been at least in the terms of public debate an opening to progressive ideas that had largely disappeared in the 90's and were completely marginalized during the first term of the Bush Administration? Am I right in how I am perceiving this?




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NO the range of discussion has not improved at all
0 (0%)
No, Actually the political paradigm has moved even farther to the right.
7 (78%)
There has been only a light improvement in the range of mainstream discussion. But not much
0 (0%)
Yes, I think you are right. There has been a very real shift in the range of discussion in mainstream political discussion
2 (22%)
A good whole wheat bread is rough in texture and has enough taste and richness to almost seem like a main course in itself.
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I'm of two minds conflicted on this Armstead Apr 2014 #1
The 99% have moved left, the 1% right MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #2
We've always had a fair share of FDR democrats. But they are neutered by the "Centrists" Armstead Apr 2014 #3
Sen. Warren is doing no such thing. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #4
She's seeming a bit too cozy Armstead Apr 2014 #6
Secret? MannyGoldstein Apr 2014 #8
I think people are more open to progressive ideas. Kath1 Apr 2014 #5
It only seems that way because of social issues. vi5 Apr 2014 #7
I like your last line! BillZBubb Apr 2014 #9
This. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2014 #11
Not much movement in my estimation. BillZBubb Apr 2014 #10
Occupy supplied the only slight shift leftward and JEB Apr 2014 #12
I usually buy 100% whole wheat bread. ( n/t ) Make7 Apr 2014 #13
I voted for "light improvement"... Wounded Bear Apr 2014 #14
I think the people have pretty much stayed where they were. - Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2014 #15
I think matters are on the whole, worse. TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #16
Some lefty discussion simply due to boredom... Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #17
kick Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #18
What I see is a lot of discontent with politics-as-usual rather than right/left movement. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #19
yes and no: the party's still yoked to Wall Street et aliis (what, y'all think this is a new thing?) MisterP Apr 2014 #20
Very little if any movement among party leadership or pundits. winter is coming Apr 2014 #21
I tend to agree Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #22
This^^^^^^^^^ socialist_n_TN Apr 2014 #23
The public has shifted considerably leftward, and the lapdog pols are scared ****less. reformist2 Apr 2014 #24
I think that is a fair statement Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #25
Really, it's just coming back toward the centre Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #26
Even Obama says he'd be a moderate Republican in the 80s and that Nixon was more liberal. bananas Apr 2014 #27
On gay rights vi5 Apr 2014 #29
Rank and file have moved slightly to the left Warpy Apr 2014 #28
Please remember that "voices well to the left of the third way" can still be right of center. Scuba Apr 2014 #30
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