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TorchTheWitch

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21. do yourself a favor and look up my posts on this case
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 11:24 PM
Mar 2012

I have very much defended Martin from the beginning and was one of the first to say that how the police handled the case from the very beginning was not a bunch of mistakes but calculated and intentional. No, I'm not at all grabbing at straws, and NO, I AM NOT defending Zimmerman AT ALL. I just find it ludicrous that there are people claiming that he couldn't possibly have any injuries and that the police lied about that based on this silly grainy video after he had been treated at the scene and especially since you CAN see "something" on the back of his head in the video... whether it's a laceration or dirt or what CAN'T be ascertained from the video. You CAN'T tell whether or not he had a broken nose or a bloody nose or whether or not whatever that "something" is on the back of his head is a laceration or dirt or what based on this video, and it's STUPID STUPID STUPID to claim one can. What CAN be seen in the video is that his injuries were slight and not so important that he needed immediate hospital care which one would need if there head was bashed on the ground severely because of the danger of a serious head injury.

I also in several posts described my own experience with my severely broken nose back in the '80's where there was no blood, no swelling and no bruising around they eyes and that my own family members couldn't tell I had any injury to my nose at all even when looking at it up close and personal. Yet it was a severe break that just so happened to only be revealed through x-rays that showed the severe damage on the inside that couldn't be detected on the outside. I knew it was severely broken because I couldn't breathe out of one side at all and I FELT like my nose was coming out the side of my head, but it didn't LOOK that way. NOT every nose injury reveals itself the same way because not every nose injury is the same whether broken or not. One would THINK that was common sense, but over and over I see post after post claiming that all broken noses bleed and they all bleed like a gusher when they DON'T.

Again, it DOES NOT MATTER whether Zimmerman had these injuries or not, what matters is how he got them and under what circumstances. Did HE start the physical altercation with Martin, and even if he didn't was it not allowable or excusable that Martin felt he needed to physically defend himself from this stranger with a visible gun on his waist chasing him particularly under Florida's Stand Your Ground law? Yes, it's perfectly reasonable that Martin would have felt afraid and even afraid for his life especially considering that visible gun at Zimmerman's waist. If Martin physically defended himself from Zimmerman and got a few licks in then GOOD. He had every right to defend himself from this nutty dude with a gun chasing him for no other reason than he was a black kid walking on the sidewalk acting entirely unsuspicious.

Now, suppose you go and do yourself that favor of looking up my other posts on this case and see which one of us is "grasping at straws". I'll wait.


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how stupid TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #1
to think this can still be spun _|_ got root Mar 2012 #4
so? TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #8
lol got root Mar 2012 #11
Straws. She's grasping at straws now. nt LaydeeBug Mar 2012 #12
do yourself a favor and look up my posts on this case TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #21
this 'silly grainy video' will be the last straw in this miscarriage of justice being allowed to got root Mar 2012 #25
yup. Stow it, is what I say. Couldn't agree with you more. nt LaydeeBug Mar 2012 #29
But his defenders are saying that he had a bloody nose, not just a broken nose. pnwmom Mar 2012 #27
so what? TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #46
It was bloody enough for the police officer to put it in his report but not bloody enough to show pnwmom Mar 2012 #50
No, really, that's ok. My opinion is MINE and I am entitled to it without your creepy aspersions LaydeeBug Mar 2012 #28
so what if he Did have injuries? Whisp Mar 2012 #17
The right kind of injuries could have supported a claim of self defense ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #43
Thank you for posting the video. EVEN A GRAINY video plainly shows the TRUTH LaydeeBug Mar 2012 #10
Yes, it's ridiculous. EFerrari Mar 2012 #13
And I am not sure how grainy this vid is, when I can plainly see the shine on the top of his head.nt LaydeeBug Mar 2012 #14
Is this from that night or emilyg Mar 2012 #37
that night got root Mar 2012 #40
I think you missed the fact... dballance Mar 2012 #39
No, it is flat out HONEST. Sorry the TRUTH bothers you. nt LaydeeBug Mar 2012 #9
Care to explain how he had a bloody nose with no bloodstains? pnwmom Mar 2012 #26
Then where's the blood? jeff47 Mar 2012 #32
There is nothing grainy about this video. Maybe it's your monitor. Number23 Mar 2012 #51
Preach, Laydeebug!! ABSOLUTELY. Ecumenist Mar 2012 #2
It would be good to see what the EMS report says too ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #3
you won't be happy till all the local 'authorities' weigh in on the matter, eh? got root Mar 2012 #6
No, I would like to see the totality of the data ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #15
yeah, it must be nice in that ivory tower you live in got root Mar 2012 #16
OMFG, YOU'RE RIGHT, GET A ROPE!!1! Tejas Mar 2012 #19
and restrain that murderer, hell yeah! got root Mar 2012 #20
what is with the sarcasm? robinlynne Mar 2012 #24
Must be nice to be as prescient as you are ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #42
sorry, professor... but there was a lot of details about this case that made it obvious that there got root Mar 2012 #44
I too thought he should have been arrested that night and have clearly said so ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #47
I would, too. emilyg Mar 2012 #38
the video is damning riverwalker Mar 2012 #5
"hours" is pushing it... alcibiades_mystery Mar 2012 #7
No, he needs to be charged with obstruction of justice! n/t markpkessinger Mar 2012 #18
I'm sure he DID have blood on him: kestrel91316 Mar 2012 #22
Actually the police filed a report saying they did not believe Zimmerman and . The DA did this. robinlynne Mar 2012 #23
I think you're right. This has always seemed like someone's been protecting him. nt LaydeeBug Mar 2012 #30
One investigator filed an affidavit in favor of charging him. EFerrari Mar 2012 #31
the chief investigator. the head of the investigation. filed an affidavit saying to arrest him, and robinlynne Mar 2012 #33
Yes, and the department spokes-spinner said EFerrari Mar 2012 #35
That is not what I read. I read that the district attorney went there in person to release him. robinlynne Mar 2012 #36
It's possible but there's so much fabrication going on EFerrari Mar 2012 #45
This is weird. I was looking for the article with that police dept statement EFerrari Mar 2012 #49
Interesting DallasNE Mar 2012 #34
No blood anywhere. No observable injuries. And this is not exactly a "grainy" video. Th1onein Mar 2012 #41
Is it possible he changed jackets at home? ArcticFox Mar 2012 #48
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