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In reply to the discussion: Do you believe that Obama installed a Nazi government in Ukraine to steal their resources? [View all]jakeXT
(10,575 posts)12. One problem I see is the "Government Assessment" being not a "Intelligence summary"
whose idea it was to use a "Government Assessment", I don't know.
And it surprised my too, that British intelligence had Russian sources they trusted, according to Hersh.
Obamas change of mind had its origins at Porton Down, the defence laboratory in Wiltshire. British intelligence had obtained a sample of the sarin used in the 21 August attack and analysis demonstrated that the gas used didnt match the batches known to exist in the Syrian armys chemical weapons arsenal. The message that the case against Syria wouldnt hold up was quickly relayed to the US joint chiefs of staff. The British report heightened doubts inside the Pentagon; the joint chiefs were already preparing to warn Obama that his plans for a far-reaching bomb and missile attack on Syrias infrastructure could lead to a wider war in the Middle East. As a consequence the American officers delivered a last-minute caution to the president, which, in their view, eventually led to his cancelling the attack.
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Within a few days of the 21 August attack, the former intelligence official told me, Russian military intelligence operatives had recovered samples of the chemical agent from Ghouta. They analysed it and passed it on to British military intelligence; this was the material sent to Porton Down. (A spokesperson for Porton Down said: Many of the samples analysed in the UK tested positive for the nerve agent sarin. MI6 said that it doesnt comment on intelligence matters.)
The former intelligence official said the Russian who delivered the sample to the UK was a good source someone with access, knowledge and a record of being trustworthy.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
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Within a few days of the 21 August attack, the former intelligence official told me, Russian military intelligence operatives had recovered samples of the chemical agent from Ghouta. They analysed it and passed it on to British military intelligence; this was the material sent to Porton Down. (A spokesperson for Porton Down said: Many of the samples analysed in the UK tested positive for the nerve agent sarin. MI6 said that it doesnt comment on intelligence matters.)
The former intelligence official said the Russian who delivered the sample to the UK was a good source someone with access, knowledge and a record of being trustworthy.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
Intelligence Summary or Political Ploy?
That Secretary of State John Kerry would invoke Clappers name this week in Congressional testimony, in an apparent attempt to enhance the credibility of the four-page Government Assessment strikes us as odd. The more so, since it was, for some unexplained reason, not Clapper but the White House that released the assessment.
This is not a fine point. We know how these things are done. Although the Government Assessment is being sold to the media as an intelligence summary, it is a political, not an intelligence document. The drafters, massagers, and fixers avoided presenting essential detail. Moreover, they conceded upfront that, though they pinned high confidence on the assessment, it still fell short of confirmation.
Déjà Fraud: This brings a flashback to the famous Downing Street Minutes of July 23, 2002, on Iraq, The minutes record the Richard Dearlove, then head of British intelligence, reporting to Prime Minister Tony Blair and other senior officials that President Bush had decided to remove Saddam Hussein through military action that would be justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. Dearlove had gotten the word from then-CIA Director George Tenet whom he visited at CIA headquarters on July 20.
The discussion that followed centered on the ephemeral nature of the evidence, prompting Dearlove to explain: But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. We are concerned that this is precisely what has happened with the intelligence on Syria.
http://warisacrime.org/content/whos-lying-brennan-obama-or-both
That Secretary of State John Kerry would invoke Clappers name this week in Congressional testimony, in an apparent attempt to enhance the credibility of the four-page Government Assessment strikes us as odd. The more so, since it was, for some unexplained reason, not Clapper but the White House that released the assessment.
This is not a fine point. We know how these things are done. Although the Government Assessment is being sold to the media as an intelligence summary, it is a political, not an intelligence document. The drafters, massagers, and fixers avoided presenting essential detail. Moreover, they conceded upfront that, though they pinned high confidence on the assessment, it still fell short of confirmation.
Déjà Fraud: This brings a flashback to the famous Downing Street Minutes of July 23, 2002, on Iraq, The minutes record the Richard Dearlove, then head of British intelligence, reporting to Prime Minister Tony Blair and other senior officials that President Bush had decided to remove Saddam Hussein through military action that would be justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. Dearlove had gotten the word from then-CIA Director George Tenet whom he visited at CIA headquarters on July 20.
The discussion that followed centered on the ephemeral nature of the evidence, prompting Dearlove to explain: But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. We are concerned that this is precisely what has happened with the intelligence on Syria.
http://warisacrime.org/content/whos-lying-brennan-obama-or-both
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Do you believe that Obama installed a Nazi government in Ukraine to steal their resources? [View all]
cthulu2016
Apr 2014
OP
I think that the West had generally much less to do with what happened in Ukraine...
Spider Jerusalem
Apr 2014
#4
It requires a double-theory of the CIA feigning incompetence all these years.
cthulu2016
Apr 2014
#6
Yeah, Rachel Maddow did a humorous piece on the CIA. She talked about all the world events
okaawhatever
Apr 2014
#18
One problem I see is the "Government Assessment" being not a "Intelligence summary"
jakeXT
Apr 2014
#12
And this is why the British Parliament voted against military intervention which
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#17
No. I think the our government helped overthrow the government and didn't care much
Warren Stupidity
Apr 2014
#16
Re the Sarin Gas incident, that has been disputed over and over by investigators and many
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#20
Anyone who believes the Ukraine govt are Nazis is falling for Russian propaganda.
baldguy
Apr 2014
#23
Obama? Hell no. The U.S. govt (which has been doing this since before I was born)? Maybe. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Apr 2014
#30