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69. No, I'm not saying what you think I am saying at ALL.

Reply to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #51)

Sun Apr 27, 2014, 07:48 PM

Apr 2014

They could have continued on with the event, or stayed and negotiated; the fact that they didn't doesn't necessarily mean that they "caved too easily." It could mean that they said Oh shit--the days of the Pancho Villa and Zorro/Sgt Garcia costumes are at an end. No more speedy Gonzalez, no more drinking contests to the tune of "La Cucaracha," no more dressing up as border crossers or drug dealers for laughs.

Now you're trying to negotiate what's "more" offensive--those English and French examples were provided to broaden the discussion to characteristics that Europeans are aware of and in my lifetime resented when "Ugly Americans" mocked them about those things, not to play "What's worse on a scale of One to Ten."

The offense happens when the person being mocked feels the insult. If a Mexican sees someone in a fake mustache and poncho and sombrero slamming back shots and "Ay-ay-ay-aying" and they feel insulted, it's not for you to tell them how they "should" feel. It's not "just" a mustache. It's not "just" a costume. It's a trivialization of culture.

You cannot dictate how you want people to feel--you just cannot.

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Maybe this is what Bill Maher was talking about ,we have become too politically correct [View all] oneofthe99 Apr 2014 OP

Schveiks! One person has vague doubts... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #1

well it is kinda odd, IMO hfojvt Apr 2014 #21

she sounds like a real Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #28

I can't tell if you're serious. Brickbat Apr 2014 #2

What the Problem? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #106

Is that's what's happening in this story? MellowDem Apr 2014 #129

I think Bill Maher was right on point quinnox Apr 2014 #3

Creeping authoritarianism = Minorities not taking shit anymore...? nt MADem Apr 2014 #9

Nope, more like spying on people, and the use of propaganda to spread fear quinnox Apr 2014 #11

How exactly is PC tantamount to any of that? NuclearDem Apr 2014 #14

You are missing the point quinnox Apr 2014 #16

PC has absolutely nothing to do with authoritarianism. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #18

Wow, I couldn't disagree more. quinnox Apr 2014 #25

No. That minority groups inform the general public why certain words are offensive NuclearDem Apr 2014 #35

"putting an end to the use of those words" quinnox Apr 2014 #40

No. Newspeak is aimed at reducing the ability for critical thought. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #42

Well, I can see we are on the opposite ends of the spectrum on this. What you say sounds good, up to quinnox Apr 2014 #43

I agree/disagree but for another reason REP Apr 2014 #68

I became very frustrated during Occupy deutsey Apr 2014 #86

Yet ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #108

Authoritarians USE other people's issues to impose restrictions on everyone. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #58

... NuclearDem Apr 2014 #71

The "gay mafia" rant was from...Bill Maher, in fact Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #82

I'm certainly missing it. What does PC have to do with authoritarianism, fearmongering, and spying? DanTex Apr 2014 #34

What I'm getting is that to be against surveillance state and MIC tendencies NuclearDem Apr 2014 #37

Yes ... it is very telling, Huh? eom. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #107

I think you might need to review the OP as well as what Maher was saying. nt MADem Apr 2014 #17

ITA JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #30

MADem, don't you know? In the history of the world it's always been MINORITIES that have relied Number23 Apr 2014 #62

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #112

LOL, there is no connection at all to spying. NONE, this post is ridiculous. bettyellen Apr 2014 #110

Minorities like Gwyneth Paltrow? Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #52

Well, that's a bit weak, to even throw her in there when it comes to any gripes about MADem Apr 2014 #64

I stopped watching Maher a while ago. Warren DeMontague Apr 2014 #65

It was just lame. If you were Gwenyth Paltrow, a member of the LGBT community, an atheist, or MADem Apr 2014 #67

Wow! ProfessorGAC Apr 2014 #97

You need to read more carefully. You miss nuance when you skim. nt MADem Apr 2014 #99

Don Sterling most likely shares your righteous stance... LanternWaste Apr 2014 #105

St. Patricks day is next :) snooper2 Apr 2014 #4

It should be. There's nothing "celebratory" about people vomiting green beer and MADem Apr 2014 #7

agreed, but all cultures steal customs and rituals from all other cultures snooper2 Apr 2014 #8

Like I said, nothing wrong with having fun, to include alcoholic fun. MADem Apr 2014 #15

I am certainly saying "Don't have a drink" hfojvt Apr 2014 #20

Well, if you are saying that, you are in a distinct minority. MADem Apr 2014 #23

Not to worry. Dartmouth allowed a man to publish a letter calling to rape a woman in the same dorm seabeyond Apr 2014 #5

Whining about "PC" is the mark of someone on weak ground. MADem Apr 2014 #6

But I WANT to wear my Speedy Gonzalez costume and shout ARRIBA! while funneling 3 Coronas at a time! alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #10

Better slam all three down before "La Cucaracha" finishes playing, too! MADem Apr 2014 #19

And some people want to be able to eat chips and salsa on a Mexican holiday hughee99 Apr 2014 #100

Yes. n/t Orsino Apr 2014 #137

I fail to see any problem here. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #12

I know you don't oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #27

But that you do is telling. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #38

Cultural appropriation happens all the time. rrneck Apr 2014 #13

Yes. The ones who turned it into a pissing contest--who took their ball and went home--were the MADem Apr 2014 #22

It's a two way street. rrneck Apr 2014 #29

Of course they weren't going to "serve" alcohol...the kids would bring their own. MADem Apr 2014 #36

Unless the organizers of the event advertised "bring your own booze" rrneck Apr 2014 #39

You don't need an "advertisement" for college kids to do what college kids do. MADem Apr 2014 #50

Rocket science is simple by comparison. rrneck Apr 2014 #55

But that's not true. The whole south-bashing thing has been discussed here many times. MADem Apr 2014 #61

And it seems that no matter how many times it is discussed rrneck Apr 2014 #63

Well, there's a learning curve for sensitivity towards the Mexican - American community, too. MADem Apr 2014 #66

You seem to be missing the point that I am trying to make. rrneck Apr 2014 #74

If this fundraiser is of "no concern" to you, you could have certainly fooled me. MADem Apr 2014 #75

This issue is very interesting. rrneck Apr 2014 #77

I've agreed with you as well--did I not concur that regional bashing isn't a good thing? MADem Apr 2014 #78

She's attending Dartmouth. rrneck Apr 2014 #79

She's attending Dartmouth, she has a bright future... MADem Apr 2014 #80

Good for them indeed. rrneck Apr 2014 #94

What people are missing is that Ms. Hernandez made no demands. MADem Apr 2014 #95

Well, if all it takes is an expression of displeasure rrneck Apr 2014 #96

All you have to do is look at some of the photos on the net and it is clear what these MADem Apr 2014 #98

you well and truly nailed it, MaDem nt steve2470 Apr 2014 #59

Thanks--I try! nt MADem Apr 2014 #124

You did azmom Apr 2014 #130

I guess I missed the part of the story about her demand for homage to Mexican culture. merrily Apr 2014 #85

I'm a lot less interested in the particulars of a single occurrence rrneck Apr 2014 #93

Hernandez said she was offended, and wrote to several authorities about it muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #32

What do you want me to say? How "dare" a woman of Mexican heritage be offended? MADem Apr 2014 #44

The problem is you think the organisers caved too easily muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #51

No, I'm not saying what you think I am saying at ALL. MADem Apr 2014 #69

So when the woman said she was offended by the event with quasi-Mexican food, they accepted that muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #70

Did you even read what she wrote? I can't believe that you did. MADem Apr 2014 #72

Again, you need to be consistent - if a 'Cinque de Mayo' event is offensive, then they did the right muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #84

I am being consistent, and I am telling you that these "phiesta" events, run by fraternities, MADem Apr 2014 #87

The expropriation and trivialization consisted of food and drink muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #88

No, it didn't--it consisted of drinking and costumes, which, though "discouraged" MADem Apr 2014 #89

The description in the OP does not include costumes muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #90

Look, I went to the source, the Dartmouth paper, and I read not only the MADem Apr 2014 #91

What, no donkeys and saguaro cactus?! Scootaloo Apr 2014 #128

Really--why not a cactus - shaped keg...? MADem Apr 2014 #132

"The Fighting Whities" YarnAddict Apr 2014 #122

I use "The Fighting Whities" as an example often--however, that's one small team at a MADem Apr 2014 #123

and one persons complaints Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #46

Not "one woman" -- reread the thread. Click the links. MADem Apr 2014 #76

All chartered Greek organizations have agreements and commitments to uphold basic mission alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #24

Yeah, but that sort of kicks the can down the road doesn't it? rrneck Apr 2014 #31

The relevant bylaw/policy would likely be a statement that the institution respects diversity alcibiades_mystery Apr 2014 #47

Your concern is noted. Skidmore Apr 2014 #26

Yes, cancellation of frat parties is a *huge* problem. The humanity! DanTex Apr 2014 #33

They got some pushback about a "crips and bloods" party last year. See upthread. nt MADem Apr 2014 #45

I think being PC is sometimes an excuse to ignore horrific injustice. Vattel Apr 2014 #41

how pc for a vast majority of whites not be able to create a hostile environment for the minority seabeyond Apr 2014 #48

It's really not that hard not be offensive. Lex Apr 2014 #49

Re-thinking the event so it offends no minority group is an issue, merrily Apr 2014 #53

Feel like you've entered a Free Republic thread? boston bean Apr 2014 #56

I've never heard Republicans complain about the p.c. culture, have you? merrily Apr 2014 #83

First of all azmom Apr 2014 #54

????? Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #81

I'm from the state azmom Apr 2014 #92

my copadres are from Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #101

It's compadres and Michoacan. azmom Apr 2014 #111

One would think ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #113

There you go, getting all facty on us. Wow. Just wow. closeupready Apr 2014 #114

they even have one of those margarita blenders with the spout on it Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #116

Okay, who azmom Apr 2014 #120

And with that, you just ate this dumb thread and drank that poster's milk shake Number23 Apr 2014 #133

Funny, huh? ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #135

Thank you for weighing in on this JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #102

Thanks azmom Apr 2014 #109

Cinco de Mayo is celebrated mostly in America... MellowDem Apr 2014 #131

You're trying too hard. Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #57

I hear you Bobbie Jo Skittles Apr 2014 #73

Look up at azmom's posts JustAnotherGen Apr 2014 #103

Overreaching a little bit there, aren't you? Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #60

Probably depends on whether it is YOU that possibly might be offended ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #115

It's funny seeing people who aren't actually latino Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #117

It it's even funnier seeing people who aren't actually latino ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #118

You do know what a portmanteau is, right? Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #119

Not in this context ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #121

It's not about the NAME. The wingnuts would have you believe that, but don't get your news from MADem Apr 2014 #126

A Mexican - themed party is offensive? Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #127

It doesn't take much imagination ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #134

A party that uses antiquated peasant symbols in stereotypical fashion IS offensive. MADem Apr 2014 #136

It's not the "name" that is at issue specifically. MADem Apr 2014 #125

"PC" is code for "white people inconvenienced." n/t Orsino Apr 2014 #140

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #141

couldn't possibly have found another name for the event, had to cancel it entirely? unblock Apr 2014 #104

It's not the name--it's the negative stereotyping that goes with their choice of theme. MADem Apr 2014 #138

Maher was tying to understand why average people vote republican B Calm Apr 2014 #139