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88. Something strange is going on with Putin, & with Xi Jinping of China: both are spoiling for a fight

Sun Apr 27, 2014, 07:52 PM

Apr 2014

I only interject this to say that I have been developing the horrible feeling that a war of major proportions may be unleashed during Obama's final years in office -- and if not now, during the next president's first term.

Both Russia and China have developed greedy eyes, and both are seeking to extend the boundaries of their territories. Each of them is looking for an excuse, each is behaving provocatively, as if daring their neighbors to react with force.

These behaviors have nothing to do with us and our foreign policy directly, but the results of a war in either Europe or Asia will most definitely have an impact on us. It may not matter if Hillary is a hawk -- even Bernie Sanders might find his hand forced. Warmongers are abroad in the world at large.

In a sense it feels like the Summer of 1914. I'm wondering if the difference will prove to be the extensive trade alliances and interdependence that have developed in the past generation -- that Putin might find himself much more harmed by economic sanctions than he counted on.

We shall see.

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Hillary Clinton, the unrepentant hawk [View all] n2doc Apr 2014 OP

That is the problem I will always have with her. Kath1 Apr 2014 #1

Hillary says she's a huge advocate for Women's Rights in third world countries... KoKo Apr 2014 #4

yes. she might keep her own daughter and grandchild in mind before pulling the trigger on someone roguevalley Apr 2014 #32

Hillary is not my first choice, but she wasn't the boss as SOS. GOPee Apr 2014 #101

Hillary was a war hawk before being SOS. magical thyme Apr 2014 #103

I wasn't in the meeting, but you may have better access. GOPee Apr 2014 #104

there were articles at the time that spelled it out. magical thyme Apr 2014 #105

I don't want MRS Clinton to run for several reasons the_working_poor Apr 2014 #39

The support was given and Bush was supposed to exhaust all avenues but he did not. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #2

And THAT is why Hillary stood up in the Senate, bvar22 Apr 2014 #7

True facts needs to enter into reality, you are entitled to the facts, you must Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #13

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Where did I say Georgie Bush fooled Hillary Clinton? Don't write words I did not say Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #38

Since you were only insinuating and not coming out and saying anything, then I have rhett o rick Apr 2014 #48

Let me say this one more time. A bill went before Congress to authorize war. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #55

Under what authority? sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #30

Go back to the facts, not what those like Rush or Sean would give, just the facts. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #43

The facts are that sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #50

I can defend her with the facts, true facts are important. Always go with the facts. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #57

The FACTS are not on Hillary's side here. Martin Eden Apr 2014 #60

It may surprise you Hillary Clinton was the elected Senator of NY and as Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #62

Your response is besides the point, and devoid of relevant Facts. Martin Eden Apr 2014 #66

Shouldn't a good Senator vote along the lines of their constituents? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #77

You're totally avoiding the point of discussion. Martin Eden Apr 2014 #84

Enough said, the facts are still the facts, you can continue to rework Bush Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #99

Rework Bush administration? Martin Eden Apr 2014 #102

Please don't change the subject. sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #69

read the facts, there is where the best answers can be found. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #44

I'd be happy to read the facts. sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #47

Research it is a good tool. Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #63

Wow, that's some irony. progressoid Apr 2014 #87

Can you present fact contary to my facts? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #97

Martin Eden already did that and you ignored them so what's the point. progressoid Apr 2014 #98

Facts vs Truth H2O Man Apr 2014 #61

As you saidcas a last resort. Even before 9/11 Bush and Cheney was set to invade Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #64

True enough, but sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #67

Wasn't she elected as Senator of NY? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #74

She also once sat on the board sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #76

So just who would be your perfect candidate? Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #100

The issue was Clinton's sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #109

If you are judging by fit, then she is your candidate, none of the others has as much Thinkingabout Apr 2014 #110

Right. H2O Man Apr 2014 #72

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One reason among many... 99Forever Apr 2014 #3

So you won't vote and allow Ted Cruz to become Prez? Avalux Apr 2014 #5

To be clear: 99Forever Apr 2014 #6

Then you have no right to complain about anything. Might as well quit posting here. n/t Avalux Apr 2014 #9

You are joking, right? 99Forever Apr 2014 #15

George Carlin Ichingcarpenter Apr 2014 #20

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Apr 2014 #34

I look at it a little different. "Not voting, is voting." rhett o rick Apr 2014 #58

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Apr 2014 #21

Thank you, H2O. 99Forever Apr 2014 #27

Excellent! L0oniX Apr 2014 #36

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Oh plez not that already. If Clinton loses it's because some werent smart enough rhett o rick Apr 2014 #23

That's ridiculous. davidthegnome Apr 2014 #29

Who do you think you are? You think you can tell anyone to quit posting here? Just trying to ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #54

No shit ...idiotic indeed. L0oniX Apr 2014 #12

"allow Ted Cruz to become Prez" LOL "that's just plain idiotic" L0oniX Apr 2014 #10

So you won't vote for her either if she ends up being the nominee. Avalux Apr 2014 #16

So who do we blame if she is elected? JEB Apr 2014 #17

+1 L0oniX Apr 2014 #33

Heh. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2014 #51

Looks like extortion to me. Your friends the oligarchs back Clinton-Sachs rhett o rick Apr 2014 #24

I never said I was a Hillary supporter. But I'll vote for her if it comes to that. n/t Avalux Apr 2014 #37

Nominate Clinton and enjoy 8 more years of Goldman-Sachs-O-Gold. Wall Street uber alles. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #49

The blame will be all yours for foisting a war monger on the rest of us. L0oniX Apr 2014 #31

Ted Cruz! Booga booga! Osama Bin Laden! Booga Booga! Terra!! Booga booga! RufusTFirefly Apr 2014 #25

The blame for that goes to the Party Leadership. If they provide and back candidates in accordance sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #65

She will be the nominee. sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #35

Ironically Citizens United will be a major force getting her nominated. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #53

Yes, the Democrats sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #56

Alas. Not so ironically. Smarmie Doofus Apr 2014 #82

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"in a way calculated to make her look presidential" Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #8

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The unfortunate reality is that voters do. Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #78

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I don't think she has any deep beliefs on war, foreign policy, what our TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #18

it's absolutely true that she doesn't shy away from most military doctrines bigtree Apr 2014 #22

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Amendment 1 H2O Man Apr 2014 #90

I took it as a signal to Conservatives zeemike Apr 2014 #94

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It just needs its own forum. nt Blue_Adept Apr 2014 #46

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who would I be trying to convince? wyldwolf Apr 2014 #79

Those who lurk but do not post. McCamy Taylor Apr 2014 #80

even they have read & heard it all. DU represents such a SMALL insignificant part of the electorate wyldwolf Apr 2014 #81

i understand what you are saying JI7 Apr 2014 #86

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I said, IF she's the nominee. Beacool Apr 2014 #107

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She would be the worst choice for Democratic presidential candidate. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #71

That is just one of the reasons I do not want Hillary as the candidate. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #83

Something strange is going on with Putin, & with Xi Jinping of China: both are spoiling for a fight Hekate Apr 2014 #88

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I think by this point everybody knows I don't need another reason to not support Hillary Clinton. Chan790 Apr 2014 #96