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haele

(15,404 posts)
54. If they work there, they would want to live there.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 12:47 PM
Apr 2014

You think the city of SF is going to require their contractors pay clerks, security guards and janitors at least $80K a year as a minimum wage to be able to live close enough just to be able to work on time - because they're not dropping the kids off at daycare at 4am, catching the van-pool to the BART at 5am to just be on the job at 8am?
You think restaurants are going to pay their cooks and wait-staff more than $30 an hour so that they can live within 5 miles of the job site and won't be stressed out of their minds trying to get to work on time and still be able to take care of things at home?

The problem is not just that someone wants "the privilege" to live in the Mission or Castro Districts; the problem is that even a 250sq.ft. unfurnished "pay your own utilities" cold-water studio over a bar in the Tenderloin or Waterfront districts is out of reach for the average minimum-wage SF worker at near $1500 a month rent, and they're forced to look far outside the city to be able to find a large enough affordable apartment or home for themselves or their families.
SF is old, with limited area for housing and an in-city workforce at least five times over the actual capability for the city infrastructure to comfortably support - and there is no where left to expand unless they are willing to plow up the existing green areas and parks (that currently attract a significant amount of tourist dollars) to put in more housing for people who can't afford the "gentrified" pricing of housing within the city.
Traffic is a nightmare on spiderwebs of narrow, historic streets and loop freeways and highways; and public transportation, while pretty good, still sucks if the only places you can afford to live are thirty to sixty miles away.
There are hundreds of thousands of people who work in SF at near minimum wage who can't find a decent place to house themselves and their families near enough to their jobs to bike to work or spend less than an hour one way on public transportation.

While gentrification can be beneficial for "the atmosphere" of a neighborhood, it tends to displace people who were living there for decades previous who can't afford to pay the new rents or, in most cases, move. That's why rent control policies are crucial to create housing stability for the majority of workers who aren't in glamorous or high-paying jobs and are going to be renting all their life because the post-WWII boom is over and the shrinking working middle class aren't making enough in wages to responsibly buy and keep up property and a house any more. Not to mention the thousands retirees who have been maintaining the same previously apartment for over 30 to 50 years, and can't conceive of moving.

There needs to be a balance between housing and housing costs that don't force people out into the streets with nowhere to go just because "the Market" can charge more because there's a bunch of new grad-school technocrats spending money (that they should be saving for that now obvious forced retirement they will be experiencing in the next two decades when they're no longer "fresh and young&quot just to live in the hip new neighborhood - until they get laid off and can't find another job.

I've seen this happen to too many "gentrified" neighborhoods. House flipping is rampant, because people

Haele

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High time to move to Detroit. nt Democracyinkind Apr 2014 #1
For what people are paying for a hole in the wall in S.F... MrScorpio Apr 2014 #5
Just did a super-quick google on Detroit real estate. Found these cuties ca 1930 house for $52,000 KittyWampus Apr 2014 #10
That last one is something else. Detroit had some absolutely beautiful homes. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #44
They can't wait until the next time they renew the lease yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #6
Yep. Detroit is obviously the ideal model these protestors are striving for. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #40
And nature is close at hand, as abandoned lots are engulfed in foliage... Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #52
Wow. Amazing pictures, thanks (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #53
k/r marmar Apr 2014 #2
Why don't they make these busses pick up at transit stations only? pipoman Apr 2014 #3
Had a friend that their house was valued at about 20k years ago, after the subway went in that RKP5637 Apr 2014 #4
Seems like a situation ripe for pipoman Apr 2014 #8
Yep! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2014 #43
That is because it is a perk yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #7
The city could mandate where pickup points can be pipoman Apr 2014 #9
Do cities normally mandate where bus stops are? yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #11
By proxy if the city operates the transit system pipoman Apr 2014 #13
I just don't know if we need to regulate everything yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #14
If it is used as a profit center for private business displacing pipoman Apr 2014 #16
A bus stop is causing the poor to flee? yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #17
Wow, because Google and Facebook pipoman Apr 2014 #37
Ah, let the ad hominem attacks start. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #39
lol...nice try pipoman Apr 2014 #46
Interesting topic- lower income people don't have cars but need to get to work somehow. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #19
Absolutely disgusting how these "tech companies" are creating well-paying jobs Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #12
Those multinational tech companies are so selfless pipoman Apr 2014 #15
Obviously they are not yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #20
We still wouldn't have this story pipoman Apr 2014 #26
I don't get your point..... Adrahil Apr 2014 #47
The article is about gentrification pipoman Apr 2014 #49
So? Adrahil Apr 2014 #50
Where are the people who work at Trader Joe's supposed to live? Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #55
What is your proposal? Adrahil Apr 2014 #60
Advocating the same that I have done for years... Luminous Animal Apr 2014 #84
Revitalizing depressed areas in the manner you suggest would be even more heinous. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #21
There would be nothing evil about it if the depressed pipoman Apr 2014 #24
So encourage the city of San Francisco to provide affordable housing, Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #30
Ahh . . . the neighborhood was not blighted and depressed — it's in SF brush Apr 2014 #38
The SF Chron ran an article recently that disassembled the protesters movement. Xithras Apr 2014 #56
Black folks often speak about "The Plan" AngryAmish Apr 2014 #69
Then there's this little problem... PasadenaTrudy Apr 2014 #18
Wow 77 thousand and still can't afford anywhere yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #22
Tax breaks so that people earning $77k per year can live in San Francisco instead of commuting? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #25
Even Oakland PasadenaTrudy Apr 2014 #34
I think about how little I paid 25 years ago for my half of a San Francisco apartment with a Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #57
she can afford to live in SF, just not in the neighborhood she was in. And looking at the photos KittyWampus Apr 2014 #28
It doesn't appear we are talking about pipoman Apr 2014 #32
I responded to article someone posted that details one particular person. KittyWampus Apr 2014 #35
The subject of this article makes $77,000 per year and would like to live in SF's Mission District. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #23
Do you support use of eminent domain pipoman Apr 2014 #29
No, I disagree with the Kelo decision. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #31
Not would like to: would like to CONTINUE to dickthegrouch Apr 2014 #59
K&R Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #27
Outrage fail snooper2 Apr 2014 #33
Why doesn't anyone mention the greedy, opportunistic landlords. gtar100 Apr 2014 #36
Yep.. PasadenaTrudy Apr 2014 #41
This kind of stuff has me worried. Adrahil Apr 2014 #48
The problem isn't that the techs pay well. It's that the displaced poor people's employers DON'T. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #42
Exactly. Another case of misplaced outrage. Like the focus on unions. The anger should not be stevenleser Apr 2014 #63
Why do poor people want to live in a high cost of living area like San Francisco? FarCenter Apr 2014 #45
If they work there, they would want to live there. haele Apr 2014 #54
We are talking about people who already live there. Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #68
Isn't it in one's self-interest to move to a place where your income goes farther? FarCenter Apr 2014 #71
Where are the better jobs in CA? Fast food in Tracy? Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #74
The city is less than 1/5 the metro area and less than 1/10th the Consolidated Statistical Area FarCenter Apr 2014 #76
So you offering to pay my rent? Starry Messenger Apr 2014 #79
Oooh! Pick me! Retrograde Apr 2014 #80
In the 90's when high school dropouts were getting high-paying internet start-up closeupready Apr 2014 #51
There is another, even larger city closer to Silicon Valley. KamaAina Apr 2014 #58
And that's why SF and San Jose are now the same except for the buildings Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #61
Hardly. KamaAina Apr 2014 #62
A city is the people in it. San Jose and SF have the same people, in shifts Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #65
Nonsense. KamaAina Apr 2014 #66
It's always the same. Hippies find a cool place, make it artsy, fun, and real, and fucking yuppies Zorra Apr 2014 #64
You're absolutely correct! displacedtexan Apr 2014 #75
Living in San Francisco is a luxury good. AngryAmish Apr 2014 #67
The BART extension to Rhinelander has been put on hold indefinitely. KamaAina Apr 2014 #70
Median rental housing $689 FarCenter Apr 2014 #72
But watch out for da hodags! nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #73
I have to as what a hodag is. nt grasswire Apr 2014 #77
Here's da Hodag, on da Wiki. /Wisconsinite accent AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #78
folkloric? I got bit. AngryAmish Apr 2014 #81
Rent costs have turned our inner cities into yuppie lands. It's happening in ATL as well. YOHABLO Apr 2014 #82
Well, DU is partially funded by Google Adsense. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #83
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