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joshcryer

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92. Exactly how they want it, too.

Reply to tcaudilllg (Reply #86)

Thu Mar 29, 2012, 01:32 AM

Mar 2012

And it's not the "ultra-left" it's the authoritarian left. The ultra left actually cares about people.

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If ACA is struck down, are you really so naive as to think single-payer will come to the rescue? [View all] backscatter712 Mar 2012 OP

You are absolutely right, and it will most likely give repukes control to limit heath care for even still_one Mar 2012 #1

Will you commit to demonstrating for Single Payer/ Medicare 4all??? kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #2

Sure, but it won't matter, the "new" repugs will run the show if ACA goes down, and they won't care still_one Mar 2012 #5

There are..... daleanime Mar 2012 #40

I've never seen any of those polls. How about a link? bornskeptic Mar 2012 #89

Google "Medicare for all Poll".... daleanime Mar 2012 #95

Sure, but there will be enough Sarah Palins howling about death panels... backscatter712 Mar 2012 #8

Well you just let Sarah Palin decide what you're going to do, then kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #10

It's just not that way. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #77

What are you talking about, Sarah Palins? I've seen people on the LEFT do it. joshcryer Mar 2012 #24

Single payer is not going to pass Congress. TheWraith Mar 2012 #16

That will be so helpful, since the media are so great at covering progressive demonstrations. nt pnwmom Mar 2012 #88

+1,000. Sorry to say that I agree. If ACA stays, I predict it will become Medicare4All. freshwest Mar 2012 #3

i expect if it's shot down, universal healthcare will be toxic for years...never happen spanone Mar 2012 #4

I am sorry to say I agree with you /nt still_one Mar 2012 #6

Years? Try DECADES!! BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #25

A prof. from MIT said on Tweety just now that it would be 17 years before it would be addressed CTyankee Mar 2012 #30

I listened to the audio CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #31

The name of the professor from MIT was Professor Gruber. Major Hogwash Mar 2012 #63

If anything changes, it'll be down to demographics and obesity rates. CBHagman Mar 2012 #64

No way. Radical solution is only forseeable way. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #69

+1. Spot on. n/t FSogol Mar 2012 #35

If the mandate is a no go abelenkpe Mar 2012 #7

Exactly Taverner Mar 2012 #9

Maybe this is something "Centrist" Dems should have thought about.. girl gone mad Mar 2012 #11

+1 xchrom Mar 2012 #14

+1,000,000,000 vi5 Mar 2012 #15

Why would ProSense Mar 2012 #19

Except that "centrist" Democrats were beholden to the health-care industry... regnaD kciN Mar 2012 #20

Wow, so, you actually agree with the OP? joshcryer Mar 2012 #23

Agreed, the problem was.... BlueDemKev Mar 2012 #26

It did not require 60 votes. eomer Mar 2012 #32

Amazing that rudycantfail Mar 2012 #36

+1 (n/t) a2liberal Mar 2012 #50

Yes it did. Ezra Klein covered it extensively. joshcryer Mar 2012 #45

Maybe you'll believe Ezra Klein, then, when he says it didn't? eomer Mar 2012 #53

Don't move the goalposts. PPACA passed 60-39. HCERA was only possible with PPACA. joshcryer Mar 2012 #55

As I said in the first place: eomer Mar 2012 #56

Ahh, yes, OK, I see what you're saying. I don't think they could have. joshcryer Mar 2012 #57

They could easily have gotten a ruling from the parliamentarian; they chose not to try. eomer Mar 2012 #59

If so then that's another case of them not having a spine. joshcryer Mar 2012 #62

How did Bush get his evil agenda passed with only 51 votes? n/t LastLiberal in PalmSprings Mar 2012 #83

Because the 60-vote rule is recent jmowreader Mar 2012 #96

Sorry, that's not right kudzu22 Mar 2012 #99

Also, the president failed to get behind it Doctor_J Mar 2012 #85

questioning? we were screaming! we knew what would happen. CTyankee Mar 2012 #49

Thank you very much... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2012 #52

I so naive as to agree with the candidate who said of mandates Bluenorthwest Mar 2012 #12

We'll get it if we want it, but most people don't want it. Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #13

Polls Find That Two-thirds of Americans Want Single Payer MannyGoldstein Mar 2012 #44

Yes, but they don't want to pay for it Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #58

No Americans really and truly are NOT ignorant of how much it costs to have truedelphi Mar 2012 #93

I figured that out on DU Yo_Mama Mar 2012 #94

You and others are making the point that truedelphi Mar 2012 #97

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Mar 2012 #17

the republicans aren't the only ones. Remember the Democrats kept single payer robinlynne Mar 2012 #18

I look at it this way tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #70

Yep, that was it exactly. And don't forget - the room itself was down truedelphi Mar 2012 #91

I thought ACA was supposed to be the "stepping stone" to single-payer. Common Sense Party Mar 2012 #21

Exactly. That is why if it is killed, it kills single-payer by proxy. nt stevenleser Mar 2012 #28

I think you are correct. This is why it is such high stakes. If everybody thinks they can just go CTyankee Mar 2012 #48

Yep, said this in another thread. Totally asinine. joshcryer Mar 2012 #22

Don't underestimate the power of the people today. Cleita Mar 2012 #27

If Anthony Kennedy plays the idiot, we should rachet up the OWS "volume". tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #76

You are correct quaker bill Mar 2012 #29

Actually, Yes, I do Expect Single Payer to be the End Result Demeter Mar 2012 #33

That is also why they are against birth control lefthandedlefty Mar 2012 #34

Not really nobodyspecial Mar 2012 #66

No way in hell. budkin Mar 2012 #37

It'll take a revolution to change a light bulb, the way things are going. SolutionisSolidarity Mar 2012 #38

yep--and every time we've tried (avg 17 years) the mix is more & more conservative librechik Mar 2012 #39

Need a revolution already.... daleanime Mar 2012 #41

Nope, we won't see federal single-payer if this falls Spike89 Mar 2012 #42

I favor a regional plan. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #65

Constitutionally "iffy" because of the commerce clause for one thing Spike89 Mar 2012 #73

That won't work either. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #75

No, I'm not that naive Jack Rabbit Mar 2012 #43

Yes. I am that naive. mistertrickster Mar 2012 #46

Agree me too and I hope if/when it's rejected Raine Mar 2012 #54

Gov Howard Dean on mandates: golfguru Mar 2012 #47

Hell yeah. I was also told I was naive to vote for an inexperienced black senator from Illinois.nt Poll_Blind Mar 2012 #51

Many are. Despite centuries where health care wnet unreformed. bluestate10 Mar 2012 #60

You must believe the healthcare problem would go away by itself kenny blankenship Mar 2012 #61

I predict if ACA is struck down that it will outrage people so much that in November elections, the Pachamama Mar 2012 #67

The only way is to force the system to justify itself. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #71

Im a stay at home mom in an upper class area....I am far from "Radical" and I can see that this may Pachamama Mar 2012 #72

Way too much Kool-Aid being served at your place Doctor_J Mar 2012 #82

Polls don't indicate that treestar Mar 2012 #84

Right: ACA has two opponents. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #86

Exactly how they want it, too. joshcryer Mar 2012 #92

I agree. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #68

Are you so naive... FreeJoe Mar 2012 #74

it won't 'come to the rescue', it will need to be worked for and demanded. KG Mar 2012 #78

There are two prongs to the GOP pie tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #79

Return of the Dark Ages Loge23 Mar 2012 #80

Yes, this 9-D chess argument is getting wearisome Doctor_J Mar 2012 #81

We'd better make this a summer to remember. tcaudilllg Mar 2012 #87

Of course single-payer will be enacted! MNBrewer Mar 2012 #90

rec'd for most condescending thread title on the front page tralala Mar 2012 #98