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JDPriestly

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8. Problem is that by signing this law, Obama will be ratifying
Tue Dec 20, 2011, 04:23 PM
Dec 2011

the already existing vague, uncertain, bad law.

The Bush/Cheney cabal left a time bomb ready to blow up under some future president who lacks the calm and understanding of a guy like Obama.

The concept of the prison at Guantanamo is bad for our country. The Patriot Act is in many respects also badly written law however well intentioned it may or may not have been.

The fundamental question is just what is terrorism? Who is a terrorist? Who is not?

Is terrorism sort of like art? Something the president and the military know when they see it? Is the definition of terrorism to be determined by the eye of the beholder?

Is it a separate, specific crime, or is it really a crime or crimes already prohibited in our law? Is a street gang member who wants to harm a county prosecutor (elected to his office and therefore political) a terrorist? If not, why not?

Giving a president and the military and intelligence apparatus the authority to decide who is or is not a terrorist is no less dangerous just because it is arguably existing law. And unlimited detention for people arrested for vaguely defined conduct?

As for the right to counsel, will those who are accused of terrorism also have the right to confidentiality in their communications with their counsel? Will they have the right to confront witnesses against them? Will they have the right to know all the evidence against them?

This new law further calcifies the confusion in current law on this topic. That is tragic. In signing it, Obama passes up an opportunity to insist on certainty with regard to these issues which are very important to our nation.

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Not enough Greenwald style hysteria. phleshdef Dec 2011 #1
You think Greenwald's continued mistaken conclusions are arrived at in good faith? great white snark Dec 2011 #7
Hehe, I'm not really sure if they are or not. phleshdef Dec 2011 #10
have proof he is mistaken and being dishonest intentionally? fascisthunter Dec 2011 #14
Oh good--I'm NOT the only person on the planet who's actually READ the language. TheWraith Dec 2011 #2
Before the revisions, it apparently would have *required* the President to detain U.S. citizens ... dawg Dec 2011 #3
US citizens were exempted. Problem was, it would have required ANYONE be detained by the military. TheWraith Dec 2011 #6
I dont' think it's accurate to say U.S. citizens are exempted. dawg Dec 2011 #9
The ONLY circumstances are if said individual is found to be working for Al-Qaeda or planning an FarLeftFist Dec 2011 #11
You mean "accused" of doing those things, planning those things. dawg Dec 2011 #15
No, ProSense Dec 2011 #12
The lengthy passage you cite doesn't say what you claim. dawg Dec 2011 #13
No ProSense Dec 2011 #18
Show me a simple quote where the President says ... dawg Dec 2011 #19
You know ProSense Dec 2011 #21
That link is to a 12 page document dealing with Gitmo. dawg Dec 2011 #22
What do you think of Lawfare? What do you know about them? bigtree Dec 2011 #4
What I'm reading here makes the bill look VILE, UTTERLY INAPPROPRIATE, and typical for Bush saras Dec 2011 #5
Problem is that by signing this law, Obama will be ratifying JDPriestly Dec 2011 #8
So whatever's in the USA PATRIOT Act goes? Octafish Dec 2011 #16
Wow, a sober analysis!!! JoePhilly Dec 2011 #17
Sorry, you can put lipstick on a pig all you want fascisthunter Dec 2011 #20
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