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In reply to the discussion: An Occupy founder says the next revolution will be rural [View all]Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)63. You keep dodging this very basic question.
Every proposed course of action must be feasible or else it is not worth proposing. You have to find (435 + 100 + 1) * .51 non-corporatists politicians and do so through multiple election cycles.
This would allow the Plutocrats to get everything they want very fast since there would be no opposition.
What they want is power and control over people.
Do you want Anarchy?
1. Have you seen my avatar?
2. If the bastards want power and control let's not amass power and control for them to take. All we're doing is giving them the tools to enslave us. There is nothing they can promise us that we could not provide for ourselves on better terms.
3. Have you seen my avatar?
It is easy to poo poo what I propose, but much harder to come up with something constructive.
Define "constructive."
As I have been saying: Having a system is the problem. All systems become corrupt. All governments cease serving the people and they invariably turn against the people or turn the people against each other to serve their own ends.
You say you want corporate money out of politics. Good. Awesome. Sounds great. But I'll wager that given enough time whatever laws you propose will soon become so distorted that only corporations with the deepest pockets and the dirtiest lawyers could navigate the complex regime of regulations while citizens who wish participate are choked out of the public arena due to cost and threat of legal action.
Ya wanna get money out of politics. I wanna kill politics.
If things get really bad the 99% will all start demanding real reform.
Voting for whom, exactly? You started this sub-thread by noting -- factually -- that the game is rigged. You can't unrig the game because you don't have the reformers in office. You can't get reformers in office because the game is rigged. And around and around we go.
How do you plan to break that cycle?
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It is, IMO, what is needed, a catalyst for change. Organization in rural areas might be the best
RKP5637
Apr 2014
#1
Their "live-and-let-live attitude" included launching a massive bioterror attack against their
Chathamization
Apr 2014
#79
My mistake. I was reading that with the other meaning of "put down." N/T
Chathamization
Apr 2014
#95
It's not at all the same. Example, SD County, population 3.1 million or so
Bluenorthwest
Apr 2014
#23
I admire the selfless dedication of many of these Activists, but I still believe that fighting for
Dustlawyer
Apr 2014
#13
Excellent point! The root cause issues need to be dealt with, not just treating symptoms. Too
RKP5637
Apr 2014
#40
The true root cause is the poison of greed. This can only be defeated when enough people wake up and
DesertDiamond
Apr 2014
#69
My state did it nearly 20 years ago by citizen initiative. Public financing is not a "canard".
PotatoChip
Apr 2014
#44
Poor Maine needs to get rid of that absolute NUTBAG governor -- he is a disgrace to
MADem
Apr 2014
#55
he said he's done with politics if lepage gets in again (of course he won't,but it's dramatic ;) )
dionysus
Apr 2014
#87
My 1st suggestion since the corporate owned media has been subverting our country for so long is to
Dustlawyer
Apr 2014
#45
You keep complaining our politics are bought and paid for only to suggest political solutions.
Nuclear Unicorn
Apr 2014
#51
What is it you would have? From what little you said it seems that you are not going to vote and
Dustlawyer
Apr 2014
#61
And the radio and TV waves in these small communities. It's hard do be in a small community and not
RKP5637
Apr 2014
#42
So true, the dems often look to the R's to see which way the wind is blowing and then try
RKP5637
Apr 2014
#58
In most rural areas they will find that the local government is already occupied.
FarCenter
Apr 2014
#28
That's what they said when the TeaParty started their local organizing a few years ago. Sent out
jtuck004
Apr 2014
#71
As it should be. We need to reclaim our land and drive all "expert" middlemen out. Out, I say.
ancianita
Apr 2014
#29
The second phase of the movement. I think starting with local politics is where it has to begin
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#33
Airc, you were the one who was not listening. You demonstrated a complete lack of understanding
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#70
Lol, I didn't have to wish very hard to get that response, thanks for remaining so
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#93
Yes, I remember your reporting on it. In fact I just mentioned it in my response below to someone
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#72
Occupy was a FAILURE because they refused to become a viable POLITICAL force. Simple as that.
RBInMaine
Apr 2014
#77
I understand that, but as far as I can see, our current political system and government are
djean111
Apr 2014
#88
Wow! You really really dislike them! Can't imagine why - is it because they refused to
djean111
Apr 2014
#92