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21. You haven't seen a lot here in while due to the fact that actual, extremely important issues are now

Tue Apr 29, 2014, 01:58 PM

Apr 2014

discussed elsewhere. Your ad hom is one of the main reasons why so many now find other venues more conducive to discussing ISSUES. Amazing you just noticed.

Did you think people stop reading and watching media simply because of ad homs directed at anyone, including some of the most credible investigative reporters once viewed as such here? The general concensus is, if you have something very important to discuss, do it where there is intelligent discussion about it.

I would ask for your opinion of the issue raised in the OP, but I think that is best discussed elsewhere.

All that has happened fyi, is people simply leave venues when the 'dialogue' reaches the three-year-level. I suppose that might give the impression that the use of the little laughing guy has succeeded in changing minds?? Is that possible?

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I Can No Longer Support This Administration . . [View all] FairWinds Apr 2014 OP

Threatening to fire them unless they commit perjury or refuse to testify? HooptieWagon Apr 2014 #1

There's a potential Donkey Kong kill screen coming up Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #2

My Constitutional Scholar President has incarcerated the people who exposed war crimes. Octafish Apr 2014 #3

firedog LOL, haven't seen that linked here in a while snooper2 Apr 2014 #4

Nothing about the issue? Just ad hominem attacks. Hmmm. Getting desperate? rhett o rick Apr 2014 #8

I'm married, don't have to get desperate anymore LOL snooper2 Apr 2014 #13

Then someone must be in the doghouse. cprise Apr 2014 #165

So predictable. Raksha Apr 2014 #51

* Newcomers to this topic - see the ACLU position here * cprise May 2014 #169

It was covered elsewhere... gcomeau May 2014 #176

Or, as I like to call it, NorquistDogLake! Yup. No agenda there. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #11

Another substance-less ridicule post apparently aimed at being divisive. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #15

Whereas your post was designed to bring us all together by stating ... 11 Bravo Apr 2014 #19

Bravo, 11 Bravo! randome Apr 2014 #20

Speak on it, Bravo! There's a faction here who very deliberately run counter to the mission of..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Apr 2014 #54

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #56

I'm sorry, but you speak in cliches far too much for me. You're not interesting, and your "rhetoric" Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #57

How dare you speak out against those fighting for truth and liberty??1!one Number23 Apr 2014 #93

That's just what we "authoritarians" do. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #104

!!! zappaman Apr 2014 #106

Personal attacks make DU suck - TBF Apr 2014 #107

Shouldn't you be posting NeoCon drivel in the Socialists Forum? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #108

I post a wide variety of substantive stories - TBF Apr 2014 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #110

Lots of things have "substance", but I won't get into that here. And I'll pass on your link. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #111

I didn't post the link for you - TBF Apr 2014 #112

You posted the stupid link in response to me. As far as "access"? If it's the Socialists nuts from Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #114

I believe that's only 3 insults in one post - TBF Apr 2014 #115

WSWS! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #116

Thanks for posting a link to something worth reading, TBF. It is shameful that this administration sabrina 1 May 2014 #187

Meh... chervilant Apr 2014 #159

If I gave a fuck what "OTHER DUers" thought, I'd be a fulltime basher like they are. Oh & "Please.. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #174

yup Sheepshank Apr 2014 #137

Regurgitated Occupy tp's, are like eating last week's un-refrigerated collard greens, at this point. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #142

The reference will be missed. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #178

You're probably right. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #179

Probably should've used "Milk!" eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #182

I forgot where I was for a moment. Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #185

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2014 #58

the politics of personality again (dog whistle) Supersedeas Apr 2014 #128

No, it's Ideologues v. Pragmatists. Pragmatists speak about issues AND how to actually KittyWampus Apr 2014 #136

Are you saying that people who care about Social Justice should be treated with derision? sabrina 1 May 2014 #188

I dont suppose you can back that up with a quote? rhett o rick Apr 2014 #47

Bravo Bravo! Cha Apr 2014 #74

Tell it LIKE IT IS! Great post! MADem Apr 2014 #78

I thought Democrats were supposed to support JEB Apr 2014 #86

Does that make me "Authoritarian"? Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #28

Yes but you cant help it. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #55

This is a very important issue which is why you are seeing the ad homs attempting to distract people sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #60

Yes and in my weakness I fall for their distraction, but I'm working on it. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #71

You haven't seen a lot here in while due to the fact that actual, extremely important issues are now sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #21

Madam ... 1000words Apr 2014 #22

mkay, um, sure, if you say so... snooper2 Apr 2014 #24

Like I said, you wouldn't know. And yes I do say so. I thought that was obvious. sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #61

the .0023% will discuss anything, including moon bombings snooper2 Apr 2014 #84

.... warrprayer Apr 2014 #135

Amen! madfloridian Apr 2014 #26

With 2400 posts in the last 90 days pintobean Apr 2014 #29

Good catch!!! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2014 #30

And boom goes the dynamite...nt SidDithers Apr 2014 #50

Suffering from lack of sleep. nt. demosincebirth Apr 2014 #59

Was that supposed to mean something? I don't believe I included myself in my statement. So what is sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #65

It just seems so familiar. pintobean Apr 2014 #66

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #70

Wait... that can't POSSIBLY be right. 2400 as in 2 THOUSAND posts in 90 days??! No effing way Number23 Apr 2014 #89

All prolific important shit Sheepshank Apr 2014 #141

I've seen people post the same thing pintobean Apr 2014 #158

I have it on good authority, your assessment of why people are leaving for other venues Sheepshank Apr 2014 #140

Are we discussing something serious here that affects this country? No, we are not. Thanks for sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #152

your pious wonderfulness isn't working n/t Sheepshank Apr 2014 #155

There was an issue raised in the OP and here you are talking about ME. And that sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #161

actaully you were talking about you...and you talk about your heroic attitudes all the time. Sheepshank May 2014 #170

So many pronouns in that comment. Someone once said to watch for how many personal pronouns sabrina 1 May 2014 #186

define support leftyohiolib Apr 2014 #5

FDL? Seriously? Godhumor Apr 2014 #6

Well, you're free to ignore issues if you wish, thankfully most people are not. I notice sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #23

oh good, do you understand the case had nothing to do with whistleblowing Godhumor Apr 2014 #38

That is a lie. SCOTUS specifically called out secrecy and corruption. cprise May 2014 #166

Whenever a website is critical of Obama in any way...they are demeaned here at DU. madfloridian Apr 2014 #25

Nothing to do with being critical of Obama, everything to do with FDL having no integrity Godhumor Apr 2014 #36

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! woo me with science Apr 2014 #39

Censorship doesn't work, no matter how hard people try to denigrate sources that simply won't sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #64

There's hardly any more room under the bus for them all. alarimer Apr 2014 #68

Well, I've repeatedly asked for 'credible sources' because we all know that the Corporate Media sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #101

I will alert the media. nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #7

Thank you, Hobson. riqster Apr 2014 #134

funny how many immediately resort to attempting to discredit the source corkhead Apr 2014 #9

I've decided that anyone who uses the term "firebagger" is completlely intellectually dishonest Maedhros Apr 2014 #31

Honduras's "Liberals" tried to pull this in 1989: "don't vote for the other party or the death MisterP Apr 2014 #40

Non sequitur post is non sequitur. Maedhros Apr 2014 #43

ahhh--but it's like the ones who call others "leftist Teabaggers": MisterP Apr 2014 #44

Trying to make the thread go sideways and divert from the point. woo me with science Apr 2014 #46

I try to keep my eye on the policies and not get caught up in the personalities. Maedhros Apr 2014 #53

If the source is known shite then it's only logical to point it out. Cha Apr 2014 #73

I guess I didn't get the memo corkhead Apr 2014 #83

There will be no content HangOnKids Apr 2014 #117

FDL has been in the shit house for years Sheepshank Apr 2014 #146

Yeah, look at how little the topic is discussed up-thread. Marr Apr 2014 #162

Attacking the messenger is common here ...Snowden, Greenwald, etc. L0oniX May 2014 #173

not to mention Matt Taibi corkhead May 2014 #180

This is a troubling case el_bryanto Apr 2014 #10

Recommend.. KoKo Apr 2014 #12

If you support an administration's actions, yet FairWinds Apr 2014 #14

. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #32

+1 Marr Apr 2014 #164

Virtual unrec for FDL. NYC Liberal Apr 2014 #16

Can't say as I blame you. 1000words Apr 2014 #17

... SidDithers Apr 2014 #18

I guess it is a good thing it does not need your support for 2 1/2 years liberal N proud Apr 2014 #27

From the NYT article, it appears the Feds are supporting protecting Lane, Hoyt Apr 2014 #33

really...you read it? Sheepshank Apr 2014 #144

It amazes me. And we wonder why this world is so screwed up. Even Dems don't seek truth. Hoyt Apr 2014 #148

So is this confirmed? I don't care what the hell the site or source you posted is.. oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #35

Read the Brief ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #181

From NPR unless they are under the bus also. madfloridian Apr 2014 #37

And much, much better than FDL Godhumor Apr 2014 #41

It seems that chervilant May 2014 #189

Some on this board make me do facepalms Springslips Apr 2014 #42

FDL Egnever Apr 2014 #52

Consistent with the rest of the record of this administration, woo me with science Apr 2014 #45

Yes, that 'propaganda machine is active on DU', and do you know what has been the result sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #62

You realize the government is not arguing the case, right? Godhumor Apr 2014 #72

Well no dirtbag lake didnt mention that Egnever Apr 2014 #79

The Justice Department in fact argued the case before the USSC. Divernan Apr 2014 #97

huh? yeah they did DiverDave Apr 2014 #102

Zactly corkhead Apr 2014 #67

You realize that the government is not arguing the case but asking to keep the balance test intact Godhumor Apr 2014 #48

The Justice Department DID brief & argue the case in the USSC Divernan Apr 2014 #96

Here's The ACLU's Brief On The Case: WillyT Apr 2014 #49

Well then dont vote for him in 2016. DCBob Apr 2014 #63

Gostzola's agenda routinely overwhelms his command of the facts. stevenleser Apr 2014 #69

All ties together. Thanks for the link. n/t freshwest Apr 2014 #91

Scotusblog is a more reliable source on Supreme Court arguments BainsBane Apr 2014 #75

Sorry you dont support PBO ( anymore) darkangel218 Apr 2014 #76

Justices Sotomeyer & Roberts challenged O's Justice Dept. in oral argument. Divernan Apr 2014 #77

^^^^Excellent post which demolishes the garbage propaganda attempts at diversion and deflection^^^^ woo me with science Apr 2014 #82

The ACLU brief does not mention the Obama administration. ProSense Apr 2014 #99

They don't support us either, otherwise we'd have universal health care and ... Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #80

I can no longer support FairWinds. Please leave this board. randome Apr 2014 #81

You find no joy using something as your cudgel? I've seen you wield a cudgel or two or three.... HangOnKids Apr 2014 #119

Since the purpose of DemocraticUnderground is to support Democrats... randome Apr 2014 #120

How quaint HangOnKids Apr 2014 #122

Never said I did have any authority. Everything I post is my opinion or suggestion. randome Apr 2014 #123

I have no problem with FDL and I am a reasonable person randome HangOnKids Apr 2014 #124

And that seems to be a a commonality on this thread Sheepshank Apr 2014 #149

Provided it gets read, Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #160

A LOT of people have a problem with FDL. randome Apr 2014 #154

Any proof that there A LOT? Dawgs May 2014 #190

There was an article yesterday about the NSA locking down on whistleblowers Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #85

No, it was a restatement of existing policy. randome Apr 2014 #94

No I'm pretty sure that it was the guy that lied to congress telling people not to talk to the press Obnoxious_One May 2014 #168

Oh Well.. butterfly77 Apr 2014 #87

Ad Hominem Are You . . FairWinds Apr 2014 #88

Obama is not a candidate. He is a real live president now. McCamy Taylor Apr 2014 #90

Fortunately, you don't sit on the Supreme Court! Divernan Apr 2014 #95

Great post. Thanks. n/t Laelth Apr 2014 #150

What's the title of your book? OilemFirchen Apr 2014 #153

LOL! MineralMan Apr 2014 #156

Try to sort out what Garcetti v. Ceballos says before you wade into Lane v Franks struggle4progress Apr 2014 #92

That's a good start... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #98

please only link to reputable sources Enrique Apr 2014 #100

Is there proof that you ever did? lame54 Apr 2014 #103

It's pretty hard to show "proof" on an TBF Apr 2014 #105

My word and this... lame54 May 2014 #175

These are great - TBF May 2014 #184

oh dear... however will we cope? dionysus Apr 2014 #113

It's just a team sport anymore Puzzledtraveller Apr 2014 #118

Please remind us of when you did support this administration. MineralMan Apr 2014 #121

How very McCarthy of you HangOnKids Apr 2014 #125

Not at all. If someone says, "I no longer support this administration," MineralMan Apr 2014 #126

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #130

Now, there's an intelligent response, for sure. MineralMan Apr 2014 #131

Your post was nonsense HangOnKids Apr 2014 #132

Should I know who you are? MineralMan Apr 2014 #133

I supported it before it even was an administration! warrprayer Apr 2014 #139

So would we all support someone's right to criticize. randome Apr 2014 #143

how you doin man warrprayer Apr 2014 #145

. randome Apr 2014 #157

FDL may not be an honest information broker, as this other post appears to show. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2014 #127

+1. Wow, who would have guessed? FSogol Apr 2014 #138

and yet 45 recs for promoting misinformation Sheepshank Apr 2014 #147

Well, FDL IS considered to be and certainly was throughout the Bush years, a reliable source of info sabrina 1 Apr 2014 #163

You make an excellet point. Also noticed the same flip - ACLU/EFF/Pullitzer are now their enemies cprise May 2014 #167

Read through the information. It isn't FDL's principals. They have their facts wrong.` Agnosticsherbet May 2014 #177

Thx seems like FDL is another basher rag uponit7771 May 2014 #172

Then appeal to the administration. Laelth Apr 2014 #129

You lost me at Firedoglake. Anti-Obama since 2007. Zen Democrat Apr 2014 #151

You think this is bad? Just wait until Hillary takes the throne. L0oniX May 2014 #171

Again! whistler162 May 2014 #183