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[AcertainLiz]

1014. I love our ethnic diversity here in OC personally

Mostly because of the food..

"I guessed that you were not in La Jolla or Rancho bernardo "

Lol, no. East Garden Grove

"The good guys is part of the propaganda. And no, we were not the good guys, or the bad guys, wars are always far more shades of gray than that. But we supported a couple governments that tortured their own people. They also maintained and enforced a social system that prevented others from achieving a decent life, where death squads were used.

Nuance... and a lot of this was becuase we wanted access to markets, and resources. In a way we won thirty years later since we now have access to those markets and those resources, and that cheap labor is helping to depress American wages. "

So nothing about the Vietnam War had to do with democracy?

"The Holocaust, though the Government knew of it as early as 1943 at least and refused to do anything about it until the camps were liberated. And not just the US Government, all allied governments. Antisemitism was very popular back then. "

Seriously? I believe you, but do you have any sources on this?

"It did do that with Vietnam, which was a bad war, why you will not see it. The oligarchy does not want to have tens of thousand of kids in front of the White House raising havoc. And a privatized military is good for business. As I said to you in a PM both sides got similar lessons from Vietnam. The people who marched against it, will never allow it again in their watch. The oligarchy does not want it, because they know it is bad for social cohesion. The oligarchy also likes cheap labor abroad since it depresses wages here and destroys a middle class that has the time to fight them."

Agreed, but the people here at DU seem to totally refuse to see this, because I feel they feel no one should have to have any responsibility, and compulsory service is always bad. In reality I'd argue it's the moral and ethical thing to do...