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In reply to the discussion: I Can No Longer Support This Administration . . [View all]BainsBane
(57,760 posts)75. Scotusblog is a more reliable source on Supreme Court arguments
largely because they engage with the laws at issue rather than being interested in grinding a political ax of some kind.
http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/04/argument-analysis-how-wrong-was-the-eleventh-circuit-about-the-first-amendment-protections-for-a-public-employees-subpoenaed-testimony/
While Lane seems a stellar employee, as the Alabama Attorney General Luther Strange all but admitted, there were concerns about other employees who might be protected by a bright-line rule protecting testimony. What if the employee is a lab technician who testifies as part of his job duties? Can the employer discipline him if the employee cannot perform this part of his job? Or if, as Justice Sotomayor asked, the employee comes to court dressed in a clown suit? Should the subpoena be the deciding factor? Arguing for Edward Lane, Tejinder Singh suggested a narrow holding that essentially reasserted Garcetti v. Ceballos and Pickering v. Board of Education, subject only to the clarification that even when a public employees testimony describes facts that the employee learned in the course of his employment, its still protected. Singh did articulate the strong version of the First Amendment rule that would protect testimony based on a separate and superior obligation to testify truthfully to the court, but he made clear he did not advocate its adoption. Deputy Solicitor General Ian Gershengorn, appearing on behalf of the federal government as an amicus, argued that such a broad rule would intrude on the governments ability to supervise its own employees, especially those who testified as part of their employment.
Importantly, the balancing required by Pickering includes weighing the government employers interest, even if it is citizen speech on a matter of public concern. The lower courts had stopped short of this balancing because they considered Lanes testimony to be in the course of his employment. But in the argument, this final balancing requirement surfaced several times. Singh used it as the answer to the clown costume hypothetical. Gershengorn seemed less satisfied by Pickering balancing as a solution, even when pressed by Justices Kagan, Kennedy, and Sotomayor.
Importantly, the balancing required by Pickering includes weighing the government employers interest, even if it is citizen speech on a matter of public concern. The lower courts had stopped short of this balancing because they considered Lanes testimony to be in the course of his employment. But in the argument, this final balancing requirement surfaced several times. Singh used it as the answer to the clown costume hypothetical. Gershengorn seemed less satisfied by Pickering balancing as a solution, even when pressed by Justices Kagan, Kennedy, and Sotomayor.
Full coverage of the case: http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/lane-v-franks/
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My Constitutional Scholar President has incarcerated the people who exposed war crimes.
Octafish
Apr 2014
#3
Another substance-less ridicule post apparently aimed at being divisive. nm
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#15
Speak on it, Bravo! There's a faction here who very deliberately run counter to the mission of.....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#34
I'm sorry, but you speak in cliches far too much for me. You're not interesting, and your "rhetoric"
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#57
Lots of things have "substance", but I won't get into that here. And I'll pass on your link.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#111
You posted the stupid link in response to me. As far as "access"? If it's the Socialists nuts from
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#114
Thanks for posting a link to something worth reading, TBF. It is shameful that this administration
sabrina 1
May 2014
#187
If I gave a fuck what "OTHER DUers" thought, I'd be a fulltime basher like they are. Oh & "Please..
Tarheel_Dem
May 2014
#174
Regurgitated Occupy tp's, are like eating last week's un-refrigerated collard greens, at this point.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#142
No, it's Ideologues v. Pragmatists. Pragmatists speak about issues AND how to actually
KittyWampus
Apr 2014
#136
Are you saying that people who care about Social Justice should be treated with derision?
sabrina 1
May 2014
#188
This is a very important issue which is why you are seeing the ad homs attempting to distract people
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#60
Yes and in my weakness I fall for their distraction, but I'm working on it.
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#71
You haven't seen a lot here in while due to the fact that actual, extremely important issues are now
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#21
Like I said, you wouldn't know. And yes I do say so. I thought that was obvious.
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#61
Was that supposed to mean something? I don't believe I included myself in my statement. So what is
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#65
Wait... that can't POSSIBLY be right. 2400 as in 2 THOUSAND posts in 90 days??! No effing way
Number23
Apr 2014
#89
I have it on good authority, your assessment of why people are leaving for other venues
Sheepshank
Apr 2014
#140
Are we discussing something serious here that affects this country? No, we are not. Thanks for
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#152
There was an issue raised in the OP and here you are talking about ME. And that
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#161
actaully you were talking about you...and you talk about your heroic attitudes all the time.
Sheepshank
May 2014
#170
So many pronouns in that comment. Someone once said to watch for how many personal pronouns
sabrina 1
May 2014
#186
Well, you're free to ignore issues if you wish, thankfully most people are not. I notice
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#23
Whenever a website is critical of Obama in any way...they are demeaned here at DU.
madfloridian
Apr 2014
#25
Nothing to do with being critical of Obama, everything to do with FDL having no integrity
Godhumor
Apr 2014
#36
Censorship doesn't work, no matter how hard people try to denigrate sources that simply won't
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#64
Well, I've repeatedly asked for 'credible sources' because we all know that the Corporate Media
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#101
I've decided that anyone who uses the term "firebagger" is completlely intellectually dishonest
Maedhros
Apr 2014
#31
Honduras's "Liberals" tried to pull this in 1989: "don't vote for the other party or the death
MisterP
Apr 2014
#40
I try to keep my eye on the policies and not get caught up in the personalities.
Maedhros
Apr 2014
#53
I guess it is a good thing it does not need your support for 2 1/2 years
liberal N proud
Apr 2014
#27
It amazes me. And we wonder why this world is so screwed up. Even Dems don't seek truth.
Hoyt
Apr 2014
#148
So is this confirmed? I don't care what the hell the site or source you posted is..
oneofthe99
Apr 2014
#35
Yes, that 'propaganda machine is active on DU', and do you know what has been the result
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#62
You realize that the government is not arguing the case but asking to keep the balance test intact
Godhumor
Apr 2014
#48
^^^^Excellent post which demolishes the garbage propaganda attempts at diversion and deflection^^^^
woo me with science
Apr 2014
#82
They don't support us either, otherwise we'd have universal health care and ...
Corruption Inc
Apr 2014
#80
You find no joy using something as your cudgel? I've seen you wield a cudgel or two or three....
HangOnKids
Apr 2014
#119
Never said I did have any authority. Everything I post is my opinion or suggestion.
randome
Apr 2014
#123
There was an article yesterday about the NSA locking down on whistleblowers
Obnoxious_One
Apr 2014
#85
No I'm pretty sure that it was the guy that lied to congress telling people not to talk to the press
Obnoxious_One
May 2014
#168
Try to sort out what Garcetti v. Ceballos says before you wade into Lane v Franks
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#92
FDL may not be an honest information broker, as this other post appears to show.
Agnosticsherbet
Apr 2014
#127
Well, FDL IS considered to be and certainly was throughout the Bush years, a reliable source of info
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#163
You make an excellet point. Also noticed the same flip - ACLU/EFF/Pullitzer are now their enemies
cprise
May 2014
#167
Read through the information. It isn't FDL's principals. They have their facts wrong.`
Agnosticsherbet
May 2014
#177