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In reply to the discussion: I Can No Longer Support This Administration . . [View all]Divernan
(15,480 posts)77. Justices Sotomeyer & Roberts challenged O's Justice Dept. in oral argument.
This is an excellent article, with extensive quotes from CJ Roberts as well as Sotmayer, indicating the Justice Dept. has taken a very untenable (I would even say, blindingly stupid) position on this matter. In other words, it showed very poor legal acumen/judgement on the part of Obama/Holder to pursue this action. Obama is so hell-bent on punishing whistle blowers that he ordered the Justice Department to ignore the law and legal principles which he and Holder should have known will govern the case. Can you say blinded by revenge? Or perhaps terrified about what might be revealed of their own inner machinations?
Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked, What are you doing about the truth finding functions of a trial setting when youre saying or telling people, employee, dont go and tell the truth because if the truth hurts your employer youre going to be fired? And, What kind of message are we giving when were telling employees, [who are] subpoenaed [for] any reason in a trial, go and tell a falsehood otherwise you can be fired?
Chief Justice Roberts:
Roberts said, Well, what is he supposed to do? I mean, he gets a subpoena, and the other side or somebody, this independent counsel, says, you know, whats going on? What do you know about, you know, from your job responsibilities? What happened or did youis this person taking money? Is this person showing up? Whats he supposed to do?
He says, gosh, if I answer, Im going to lose my job or could, and if I dont or answer falselythe Fifth Amendment protects him from incriminating himself. It doesnt protect the department he works for from being incriminated.
We would never suggest that anybody not comply with a subpoena, comply with an investigation, or testify truthfully, Waggoner claimed. And Roberts replied, But you are suggesting he can be fired if he does it.
From the ACLU's amicus brief:
What the American Civil Liberties Union argued in its amicus brief submitted clearly outlines how this position by the Obama administration discourages individuals from coming forward to testify in public corruption trials.
A public official who has information that is relevant to an ongoing public corruption investigation may come forward and speak to the FBI if she can be confident that the government will later compel her testimony under subpoena, so as to insulate her from retaliatory action. But far more likely, uncertainty in the lawcombined with the fact that the employees job hangs in the balancewill dissuade the employee from coming forward altogether, the ACLUs brief declares.
Sworn statements relevant to a judicial proceeding always advance the judiciarys truth-seeking function, and always fulfill an individuals civic responsibility. They should be protected by the First Amendment. Unfortunately, the Obama administration believes it must have the power to retaliate and dissuade employees from engaging in speech that might embarrass or reflect poorly on the government.
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My Constitutional Scholar President has incarcerated the people who exposed war crimes.
Octafish
Apr 2014
#3
Another substance-less ridicule post apparently aimed at being divisive. nm
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#15
Speak on it, Bravo! There's a faction here who very deliberately run counter to the mission of.....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#34
I'm sorry, but you speak in cliches far too much for me. You're not interesting, and your "rhetoric"
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#57
Lots of things have "substance", but I won't get into that here. And I'll pass on your link.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#111
You posted the stupid link in response to me. As far as "access"? If it's the Socialists nuts from
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#114
Thanks for posting a link to something worth reading, TBF. It is shameful that this administration
sabrina 1
May 2014
#187
If I gave a fuck what "OTHER DUers" thought, I'd be a fulltime basher like they are. Oh & "Please..
Tarheel_Dem
May 2014
#174
Regurgitated Occupy tp's, are like eating last week's un-refrigerated collard greens, at this point.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2014
#142
No, it's Ideologues v. Pragmatists. Pragmatists speak about issues AND how to actually
KittyWampus
Apr 2014
#136
Are you saying that people who care about Social Justice should be treated with derision?
sabrina 1
May 2014
#188
This is a very important issue which is why you are seeing the ad homs attempting to distract people
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#60
Yes and in my weakness I fall for their distraction, but I'm working on it.
rhett o rick
Apr 2014
#71
You haven't seen a lot here in while due to the fact that actual, extremely important issues are now
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#21
Like I said, you wouldn't know. And yes I do say so. I thought that was obvious.
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#61
Was that supposed to mean something? I don't believe I included myself in my statement. So what is
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#65
Wait... that can't POSSIBLY be right. 2400 as in 2 THOUSAND posts in 90 days??! No effing way
Number23
Apr 2014
#89
I have it on good authority, your assessment of why people are leaving for other venues
Sheepshank
Apr 2014
#140
Are we discussing something serious here that affects this country? No, we are not. Thanks for
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#152
There was an issue raised in the OP and here you are talking about ME. And that
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#161
actaully you were talking about you...and you talk about your heroic attitudes all the time.
Sheepshank
May 2014
#170
So many pronouns in that comment. Someone once said to watch for how many personal pronouns
sabrina 1
May 2014
#186
Well, you're free to ignore issues if you wish, thankfully most people are not. I notice
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#23
Whenever a website is critical of Obama in any way...they are demeaned here at DU.
madfloridian
Apr 2014
#25
Nothing to do with being critical of Obama, everything to do with FDL having no integrity
Godhumor
Apr 2014
#36
Censorship doesn't work, no matter how hard people try to denigrate sources that simply won't
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#64
Well, I've repeatedly asked for 'credible sources' because we all know that the Corporate Media
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#101
I've decided that anyone who uses the term "firebagger" is completlely intellectually dishonest
Maedhros
Apr 2014
#31
Honduras's "Liberals" tried to pull this in 1989: "don't vote for the other party or the death
MisterP
Apr 2014
#40
I try to keep my eye on the policies and not get caught up in the personalities.
Maedhros
Apr 2014
#53
I guess it is a good thing it does not need your support for 2 1/2 years
liberal N proud
Apr 2014
#27
It amazes me. And we wonder why this world is so screwed up. Even Dems don't seek truth.
Hoyt
Apr 2014
#148
So is this confirmed? I don't care what the hell the site or source you posted is..
oneofthe99
Apr 2014
#35
Yes, that 'propaganda machine is active on DU', and do you know what has been the result
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#62
You realize that the government is not arguing the case but asking to keep the balance test intact
Godhumor
Apr 2014
#48
^^^^Excellent post which demolishes the garbage propaganda attempts at diversion and deflection^^^^
woo me with science
Apr 2014
#82
They don't support us either, otherwise we'd have universal health care and ...
Corruption Inc
Apr 2014
#80
You find no joy using something as your cudgel? I've seen you wield a cudgel or two or three....
HangOnKids
Apr 2014
#119
Never said I did have any authority. Everything I post is my opinion or suggestion.
randome
Apr 2014
#123
There was an article yesterday about the NSA locking down on whistleblowers
Obnoxious_One
Apr 2014
#85
No I'm pretty sure that it was the guy that lied to congress telling people not to talk to the press
Obnoxious_One
May 2014
#168
Try to sort out what Garcetti v. Ceballos says before you wade into Lane v Franks
struggle4progress
Apr 2014
#92
FDL may not be an honest information broker, as this other post appears to show.
Agnosticsherbet
Apr 2014
#127
Well, FDL IS considered to be and certainly was throughout the Bush years, a reliable source of info
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#163
You make an excellet point. Also noticed the same flip - ACLU/EFF/Pullitzer are now their enemies
cprise
May 2014
#167
Read through the information. It isn't FDL's principals. They have their facts wrong.`
Agnosticsherbet
May 2014
#177