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morningfog

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125. Let me try to help you understand. The state carried out the botched execution.

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 06:48 AM

Apr 2014

That means that the citizens of that state carried out the botched execution. Killings by the state are done in our name by us. We own it. So when a prisoner is executed, it is as if we collectively and individually carry out the act. It is a planned an conscious decision for us to kill another living human being. It should make us all sick for us, collectively, to engage in such barbarism and torture.

That feeling is not mutually exclusive of sympathy felt for the victims and their family. However, it was a single messed-up individual who carried out that act. It was an act that we, as citizens, had no part in. There was no collective decision.

You are free to vomit all you wish. But, when it comes to society making conscious decisions, putting someone to death should be off the table.

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Holy shit - execution botched in Oklahoma tonight so second execution [View all] malaise Apr 2014 OP

Looney Governor Fallin. nt onehandle Apr 2014 #1

He died of a massive heart attack after malaise Apr 2014 #4

It's more important to kill a man than feed a man. onehandle Apr 2014 #5

Many here on the DU love the death penalty. nt Logical Apr 2014 #2

There is a group dedicated to that here called the Gungeon. nt madinmaryland Apr 2014 #10

I wish we could lock the door on that place. Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #110

I have madokie Apr 2014 #115

On a visceral level, I can understand. But this just shows that the DP is too costly for a civilized nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #39

k&r... spanone Apr 2014 #3

KnR alittlelark Apr 2014 #6

He began breathing heavily, writhing on the gurney, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his herding cats Apr 2014 #7

Torture malaise Apr 2014 #8

There should be some legal recourse against Fallin herding cats Apr 2014 #9

I could see a wrongful death suit. morningfog Apr 2014 #20

I hope the family files one then. herding cats Apr 2014 #21

There is no good reason for this, none. Barbaric beyond words. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #12

It's a sick lust for their pound of flesh. herding cats Apr 2014 #19

Yes, agreed. DP should be abolished, the US is far behind. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #33

It should be illegal to draw the curtains. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #23

Sometimes it's the person's family in the viewing room. herding cats Apr 2014 #30

That is a hard question. Ms. Toad Apr 2014 #36

Many don't realize the family often comes to say their goodbyes. herding cats Apr 2014 #51

That certainly would be a major point of consideration. Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #41

I understand. herding cats Apr 2014 #54

When he buried his victim alive - he lost 840high Apr 2014 #52

Revenge or justice? Beaverhausen Apr 2014 #57

That doesn't make this any less wrong. herding cats Apr 2014 #58

In cases like this 840high Apr 2014 #63

So why not just tie them down and let the victims families beat them to death? Major Nikon Apr 2014 #79

Your lack of response to my points in your reply, and your continuation of the same weak herding cats Apr 2014 #98

That's SICK!!! It's one thing to decide someone has it coming... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #68

Did he show sympathy for 840high Apr 2014 #80

SMH... nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2014 #82

I'm not reveling in 840high Apr 2014 #84

But you APPROVE micraphone Apr 2014 #104

Well good for you. I have 840high Apr 2014 #150

Does a murderer's actions set the standard for how we act as a society? God, I hope not. Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #103

Wouldn't be a thread on the death penalty without a sick fucking response like this. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #70

How come ur not vomitting 840high Apr 2014 #83

Right, because I find bloodlust and revenge despicable NuclearDem Apr 2014 #99

Let me try to help you understand. The state carried out the botched execution. morningfog Apr 2014 #125

An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. Fearless Apr 2014 #72

Hopefully gollygee Apr 2014 #124

He was an accomplice to a girl being buried alive. He watched it happen and did nothing. Beausoir Apr 2014 #90

See my post #98 herding cats Apr 2014 #102

These medieval-style atrocities are an absolute embarrassment for the USA Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #11

Republicans keep this country savage. nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #25

Unfortunately many Democrats support the death penalty too. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #28

I think I am for the death penalty in certain cases maybe. Serial torturer-killers, for example nt Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #60

Or maybe someone who rapes and murders a child? IronGate Apr 2014 #61

Yup. I see children raped and sliced or beaten to a pulp or whatever, and it doesn't bring out my Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #75

I know we've clashed on a certain issue, IronGate Apr 2014 #81

Right, but there is a right wing bloodthirstiness with regard to the death penalty which sickens Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2014 #86

I'm with you. IronGate Apr 2014 #89

Same here. 840high Apr 2014 #87

How about someone who murders kids by arson? Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #94

Ooops indeed. Oh well. It's the cost of doing business . . . Am I right? Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #109

I've never heard of that case, so I'm not familiar with it. nt Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #153

It's rare when you and I agree on something Nye Scootaloo Apr 2014 #29

+1 nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #43

Why the fuck is "The Last Word" talking about the racist NBA owner, when madinmaryland Apr 2014 #13

Can you believe this crap? malaise Apr 2014 #22

I checked the CNN website, and this was there lead story... madinmaryland Apr 2014 #34

yes. during the last word segment hopemountain Apr 2014 #48

Execution botched before inmate dies of heart attack; second execution postponed spanone Apr 2014 #14

I hope the family files a wrongful death suit. morningfog Apr 2014 #16

And I hope the families of the murdered woman and 11 month old girl IronGate Apr 2014 #49

The basis for the wrongful death suit... Chan790 Apr 2014 #85

The prison comitted an act of negligence that resulted in a painful morningfog Apr 2014 #122

The family should be 840high Apr 2014 #53

He's still a person with a family. morningfog Apr 2014 #123

I will never support the death penalty malaise Apr 2014 #17

Barbarians afforded more dignity to those they killed. n/t Scootaloo Apr 2014 #31

The one thing I can say in favor of ancient execution methods is at least they acknowledged the nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #45

Right on Scootloo! IronGate Apr 2014 #50

Cruel and unusual. End the death penalty. morningfog Apr 2014 #15

Agreed malaise Apr 2014 #18

We really should congratulate the Europeans for their sanctions on execution drugs malaise Apr 2014 #26

- Takket Apr 2014 #24

Here malaise Apr 2014 #32

thanks for the link and.... WOW Takket Apr 2014 #47

but there is an nba team owner who said racist things. ejpoeta Apr 2014 #128

I'm anti-DP but how is it a vet can put a pet down gently while shit like this happens? Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2014 #27

Vets don't actually put a pet down gently. jeff47 Apr 2014 #91

Our vet gave that second shot while we were there. Raine1967 Apr 2014 #100

Not exactly Tree-Hugger Apr 2014 #108

Thank you for the clarification. OwnedByCats Apr 2014 #114

Not when our vet has euthanized our pets SoCalDem Apr 2014 #121

Pet euthanizations are typically peaceful OwnedByCats Apr 2014 #130

Veterinary euthanasia is not always gentle. Chan790 Apr 2014 #97

If your friend is using outdated drugs ... GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #117

I don't think he does it intentionally. Chan790 Apr 2014 #143

A lot of drug companies are refusing to sell their products for the purpose of execution. WatermelonRat Apr 2014 #148

When those companies stopped supplying the drugs, all executions should have been postponed. alarimer Apr 2014 #35

He buried his victim alive. Amak8 Apr 2014 #37

Karma? HipChick Apr 2014 #40

That thought went through my mind, too. IdaBriggs Apr 2014 #129

Are you saying you think he deserved to be tortured to death? Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #44

He undoubtedly deserved just that, but that does not mean we should be doing it. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #67

To say someone deserves some punishment is to imply someone should do it. So who should do it... Gravitycollapse Apr 2014 #77

No, and for a number of reasons... Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #95

Yes. He stood by while a young girl was buried alive and he did nothing to save her. Beausoir Apr 2014 #93

+1 Jgarrick Apr 2014 #141

Torturing him to death won't bring his victim back. Nor will executing him, for that matter. nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #46

Some countries (like mexico) consider life without parole just as barbaric 951-Riverside Apr 2014 #92

In many cases I don't doubt that's true. But what of those who are a permanent danger to society? nomorenomore08 Apr 2014 #96

The baby rapist/killer who was next in line should have suffered like this 951-Riverside Apr 2014 #88

Will that comfort you? Knowing the man is afraid to die and now gets two more weeks to worry? CBGLuthier Apr 2014 #133

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately, most avebury Apr 2014 #38

Thanks for your post malaise Apr 2014 #119

"Oklahoma Is OK" n/t jtuck004 Apr 2014 #42

It's 2014 in the land of the free PrestonLocke Apr 2014 #55

next it will be MFM008 Apr 2014 #56

Somewhere a decider is chuckling Blue Owl Apr 2014 #59

I'm far more concerned with how his victim suffered than how this monster died; to Hell with him Jgarrick Apr 2014 #62

Classy as usual! nt Logical Apr 2014 #107

Being more concerned with the suffering of innocent victims than murderers? Yeah, I'm such a jerk.. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #139

+1 840high Apr 2014 #151

I hope that Governor Fallin lives a long life with a rapidly evaporating political career. Snarkoleptic Apr 2014 #64

Her Base is cheering this. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #65

This really makes me throw up. n/t Cleita Apr 2014 #66

I say, if a prisoner doesn't die during an execution adieu Apr 2014 #69

Fuck... jimlup Apr 2014 #71

He would have been better off if they just shot him. Jamastiene Apr 2014 #73

+1 Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2014 #138

I find it sad Fearless Apr 2014 #74

This is a horror. oldandhappy Apr 2014 #76

Wow, this thread's bringing them out of the woodwork. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #78

Disheartening to say the least. I thought revenge killing and bloodthirst were the province of the Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #106

That is exactly what it is too. Jamastiene Apr 2014 #111

The death penalty always does. And ALWAYS, without exception, morningfog Apr 2014 #126

As if these stories aren't horrible enough Boreal Apr 2014 #101

You don't have this problem with a bullet behind the ear. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #105

if this was the dude who raped and murdersd Niceguy1 Apr 2014 #112

I understand the "who gives a f*ck" emotional response. But those folks are also missing the point. phleshdef Apr 2014 #113

Thank you micraphone Apr 2014 #116

+1,000 malaise Apr 2014 #118

Even if it were done humanely, it would still be wrong. nt pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #120

Agreed. Our acceptence of killing should not turn on the method or the cleanliness morningfog Apr 2014 #127

I hope constitutional scholars recognize this for what this is..... Swede Atlanta Apr 2014 #131

Governor of Oklahoma malaise Apr 2014 #136

Thanks Malaise... Swede Atlanta Apr 2014 #140

Cool malaise May 2014 #155

If they lifted their stay , how is this a crisis? n2doc Apr 2014 #142

According to the information I have Swede Atlanta Apr 2014 #149

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Lyric Apr 2014 #132

My favorite cousin was murdered malaise Apr 2014 #137

I think if one is not sure about the death penalty OwnedByCats Apr 2014 #134

It seems inhumanity has a following even here. 99Forever Apr 2014 #135

+1 Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #147

I don't understand raptor_rider Apr 2014 #144

See if you find me on those Vick threads n/t malaise Apr 2014 #145

Not that I'm for the death penalty, but maybe they're overthinking the cocktails. backscatter712 Apr 2014 #146

Everyone react different to medications. Even in hospice many suffer in their final hours. mucifer Apr 2014 #152

Doesn't cyanide cause foaming at the mouth, seizures, etc.? Nye Bevan May 2014 #154