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79. Yeah. Ok...Carter legitimately got his ass kicked

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 07:06 AM

Apr 2014

His approval ratings were in the 30s throughout the campaign and he was underwater with Democrats. The last debate was a week before the election and Reagan blew him away. Carter's strategy hinged largely on scaring people about Reagan but the latter was cool as a cucumber in that last debate (and the two before them, one of which Carter missed) getting off his zingers while Carter appeared tense and irritable and failed to land any of the many punches he threw.

Watch the debates. Reagan won; not only that, Iran hardly comes up. People were much more freaked out about the economy than they were about Iran.

The Iran dirty tricks happened, but they aimed as much as getting Reagan's presidency off to a triumphal start as they were at denying Carter one last hope at re-election. You don't lose 44 states over what was then an old crisis.

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No Republican president since Eisenhower has been legitimately elected, says Thom Hartmann [View all] HomerRamone Apr 2014 OP

And remember when... yallerdawg Apr 2014 #1

Never could figure out why the Florida vote count was stopped. WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2014 #7

SC stepped in with their "decision"..... daleanime Apr 2014 #14

Oh I know the who, WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2014 #21

what was the rush? AlbertCat Apr 2014 #24

Their argument was that Gore having more votes after the recount jeff47 Apr 2014 #50

^^^^THIS^^^^^^^ alittlelark Apr 2014 #59

The rush was a different outcome was likely. mountain grammy Apr 2014 #65

A decision that Sandra Day O'Connor later said they probably shouldn't have made... KansDem Apr 2014 #33

O'Connor got real brave...after she retired. Ikonoklast Apr 2014 #56

She can forever rot in hell as far as I'm concerned. nt Javaman Apr 2014 #83

the supreme court needed to fix THEIR RITE MAJORITY. gore was never going to win. pansypoo53219 Apr 2014 #17

^ this ^ defacto7 Apr 2014 #62

The whacky whimsy of this lot... FailureToCommunicate Apr 2014 #20

Yes, they do look defacto7 Apr 2014 #63

The Brooks Brothers Riot was one. zeemike Apr 2014 #30

I point to this navarth Apr 2014 #85

At which juncture? merrily Apr 2014 #74

Bush cousin called the Florida results Billy Budd Apr 2014 #15

Innocent coincidence. TroglodyteScholar Apr 2014 #19

God that was a horrible election: tofuandbeer Apr 2014 #69

Speaking of, whatever happened to Katherine Harris? Frustratedlady Apr 2014 #2

Some sort of "computer executive" Blue_Adept Apr 2014 #5

She retired from public life after her epic defeat in the 2006 Senate race. Lasher Apr 2014 #31

That's interesting. Frustratedlady Apr 2014 #44

I guess not. Lasher Apr 2014 #49

Love it! Although, I think these sociopaths are focused on trying to rewrite history... tofuandbeer Apr 2014 #70

No, but... nikto Apr 2014 #75

Not a very pretty Wiki page. Frustratedlady Apr 2014 #43

Thom's been talking about this for a while now navarth Apr 2014 #3

Who could forget his interview this month with Jimmy Carter? Lasher Apr 2014 #34

kicking this again for visibility. people need to know this. nt navarth Apr 2014 #4

Even Comments By Repubs Are Illegitimate Here billhicks76 Apr 2014 #54

Thanks navarth Apr 2014 #84

and let's not forget Diebold + Ohio = 2004 bush re-election Takket Apr 2014 #6

Lame sour grapes taught_me_patience Apr 2014 #8

Wow. Le Taz Hot Apr 2014 #13

But in these cases the losses were actually illegitimate. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #28

Maybe they have yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #77

Did you even bother to look to see why Thom Hartmann made that statement? truebrit71 Apr 2014 #36

This comment is not a rebuttal sulphurdunn Apr 2014 #57

This ^ AnalystInParadise Apr 2014 #61

Certainly Nixon in '72 and Reagan in '84... Blanks Apr 2014 #81

Our Democracy is a beacon to the world. JEB Apr 2014 #9

Kicking this to keep it up top! calimary Apr 2014 #10

And of course this is only one of the ways they've stolen elections. When people blame Dems for not DesertDiamond Apr 2014 #11

The title is a little bit misleading Reter Apr 2014 #12

He did. dotymed Apr 2014 #27

Absolutely...or have you never heard of Iran-Contra... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #38

Again, I understand and agree Reter Apr 2014 #48

Traitors, all of them! joanbarnes Apr 2014 #16

Oh goodie... that thing where no president from the other party can be legitimate. cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #18

One side's lie is as valid as the other side's truth HomerRamone Apr 2014 #22

Making up a personal definition of legitimately isn't "truth" cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #25

The Republicans did these things. Obama isn't Kenyan. nt HomerRamone Apr 2014 #29

But Obama IS a Commie, Marxist, Atheist, Nazi, Muslim though! ErikJ Apr 2014 #32

All at once, too! riqster Apr 2014 #47

Am I to understand your issue here is based only on the word legitimate? chknltl Apr 2014 #53

Win or lose... defacto7 Apr 2014 #64

'Perhaps' you missed why he said what he said. chknltl Apr 2014 #37

Since you do not distinguish "fact" and "value judgement" cthulu2016 Apr 2014 #45

Because he wasn't...Raygun however did delay the release of hostages until AFTER the election... truebrit71 Apr 2014 #39

There is truth to that, but people like Ted Koppel had Carter looking weak (to the easily led) long merrily Apr 2014 #80

Oh goodie ... GeorgeGist Apr 2014 #76

Team B also seditiously leaked their report to the press in order to undermine Carter Major Nikon Apr 2014 #23

An incredible sense of mystery spans half the century polynomial Apr 2014 #26

I'm fairly confident Ronald Reagan legitimately won, whether we like it or not. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2014 #35

Nope, nope and nope. truebrit71 Apr 2014 #41

He made a deal with Iran maindawg Apr 2014 #51

fairly confident navarth Apr 2014 #86

I agree, they both committed treason. Shoulders of Giants Apr 2014 #87

How very true! santamargarita Apr 2014 #40

And Bush 2, had in fact never won popular vote! mylye2222 Apr 2014 #42

Any basic banana republic would be proud to have our banana Republican's record. nt MrScorpio Apr 2014 #46

I wouldn't be surprised if he is correct, MADem Apr 2014 #52

I just relived a terrible nightmare. AAO Apr 2014 #55

I don't think the JFK election would bear close scrutiny, either. Demeter Apr 2014 #58

And then there's Bush I's connection to JFK's assassination rickyhall Apr 2014 #60

The sad truth is, many Americans can't handle the truth, have no interest in the truth mountain grammy Apr 2014 #66

The RW never cares about illegitimate elections when an R wins, and they fabricate illigitimacy Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 2014 #67

This looks more like excuses than corruption davidn3600 Apr 2014 #68

, blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #71

Interesting name for the site BTW (Smirking Chimp). Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #72

Since Eisenhower, how many Congresses have we had where Democrats controlled both houses? merrily Apr 2014 #73

I have long said, the only way republicans can win elections is by cheating liberal N proud Apr 2014 #78

Yeah. Ok...Carter legitimately got his ass kicked BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #79

If a Presidential candidate commits treason and then a majority who don't know about it vote for him HomerRamone Apr 2014 #82