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Jeff In Milwaukee

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64. Fer Cripes' sake...

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 10:21 AM

Apr 2014

Read the goddam Amicus Curiae.

This is fundamentally a human resources issue. The ACLU is arguing that every employee should be treated as a private citizen when it comes to testimony in court -- meaning that as a Police Chief, I can't fire an officer who is terrible at testifying in court (which is part of his job description). The Obama Administration -- and again I would urge you to read the Amicus -- is arguing that the definition should be that broad. Here's the money quote from you:

Gershengorn: When government employees testify, they sometimes speak as citizens and they sometimes speak as employees. We agree that Petitioner here spoke as a citizen when he testified, but we disagree with the suggestion of some of the amici that government employees always speak as citizens rather than as (employees).

Did you get that? The government agrees that Lane was protected - I suspect that this Amicus Curiae only arose when the DOJ learned that the ACLU was going to come in arguing that the Court should through out the baby with the bathwater.

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In the current SCOTUS Case, Obama is not out to get whistleblowers (Firedog is wrong) [View all] Godhumor Apr 2014 OP

Of course he's not.. but that doesn't stop the ignorance from Cha Apr 2014 #1

Thanks for doing the work on this BainsBane Apr 2014 #2

Glad to do it Godhumor Apr 2014 #3

As I noted in the other thread, Gosztola's agenda overwhelms the facts every time. Just see this stevenleser Apr 2014 #55

I read this in the other thread, too Godhumor Apr 2014 #57

This is an object lesson... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #62

Tell that to Thomas Drake. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #4

Great analysis ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #5

I have 3 posts in the other thread. Godhumor Apr 2014 #7

Great ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2014 #8

I will help keep this kicked.. thank you again, GH. Cha Apr 2014 #10

Thank you. brer cat Apr 2014 #6

But...but...RT says Obama is evil!! So FDL must be right!! jeff47 Apr 2014 #9

Thomas Drake, John Kiriakou, and Chelsea Manning think you're wrong, OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #11

completely irrelevant to this question Godhumor Apr 2014 #12

The title of your post is "Obama is not out to get whistleblowers" OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #13

I disagree but opinions vary Godhumor Apr 2014 #14

Drake's career was destroyed, and Kiriakou and Manning are in prison (35 years for Manning.) OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #16

The Obama DOJ did act shamefully with respect to Drake Vattel Apr 2014 #32

+1 dreamnightwind Apr 2014 #33

I thought the context made it clear Godhumor Apr 2014 #34

That helps, thanks dreamnightwind Apr 2014 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Apr 2014 #15

Source for what? I posted the links to everything I felt relevant Godhumor Apr 2014 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Apr 2014 #18

There was one blog Godhumor Apr 2014 #21

The position is stated in the Amicus Curiae: toddwv Apr 2014 #39

You have never heard of Scotusblog? BainsBane Apr 2014 #41

Wait a second...you are unaware of SCOTUS blog??? Really? nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #48

If its not in Common Dreams, FDL, or RT, most Obama critics dont know it exists, apparently. stevenleser Apr 2014 #54

My "top" tier of sites I won't give the time of day to are: Godhumor Apr 2014 #56

I thought everyone knew Scotusblog BainsBane Apr 2014 #65

When it comes to court cases, too, they can read the case itself treestar Apr 2014 #67

It shows peole aren't reading the actual cases . nt msanthrope Apr 2014 #72

Fer Cripes' sake... Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #64

Excellent synopsis. Laelth Apr 2014 #79

where did you go? Firedogfail needs your support! snooper2 Apr 2014 #68

"These people". You are really trying to bait me arent you? Sorry, find someone else. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #75

Interesting that you went back and covered your tracks Egnever Apr 2014 #91

Yep. He and his pals were all in the other thread with the usual name calling and Dem bashing Number23 Apr 2014 #92

Oh did they scrub that one as well? Egnever Apr 2014 #93

If FDL is a joke, Agnosticsherbet Apr 2014 #19

This OP does not adhere to purism standards of DU Gman Apr 2014 #20

The documented facts disagree with you. Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #22

Read the animus which is the sworn statement on behalf of the us government Godhumor Apr 2014 #25

I find the sworn statement to be the least untruthful thing I've heard in awhile... eom. Obnoxious_One Apr 2014 #26

good? Not sure if that is supposed to be least truthful Godhumor Apr 2014 #28

The animus brief says right in it that the US believes the actions taken against Ed Lane were wrong. Cha Apr 2014 #31

Try reading it first...You might change your mind Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #69

Which documented facts? BainsBane Apr 2014 #42

You are absolutely correct that the FDL "reporting" was ridiculously bad. But Vattel Apr 2014 #23

And SCOTUS expressed skepticism at the US position Godhumor Apr 2014 #27

Me too. I hope they not only roll it back Vattel Apr 2014 #35

There is no question of a roll-back, I think Godhumor Apr 2014 #36

I agree that the Court will overturn the decision, and clarify the scope Vattel Apr 2014 #52

Doubt that will happen, personally Godhumor Apr 2014 #70

Ik, ik, but you can't blame me for wishin' Vattel Apr 2014 #71

of course not (on the wishing) Godhumor May 2014 #100

I concur. I like the ACLU's position. Laelth Apr 2014 #80

I saw that thread. Your writing is more factual than the article there. herding cats Apr 2014 #24

K&R nt pkdu Apr 2014 #29

Thanks mwyn8 Apr 2014 #30

K&R Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #38

K Cha Apr 2014 #40

I'm recing just because you stated your case so convincingly and so calmly Number23 Apr 2014 #43

Most people don't appear to bother reading the OP BainsBane Apr 2014 #44

Title readers. That was made obvious. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #50

Long ago, I determined that critics of the Democratic Party and its leaders from the left are not stevenleser Apr 2014 #60

I just read something that tells me you're right on that point BainsBane Apr 2014 #63

challenging a narrative is always tricky Godhumor Apr 2014 #76

+ struggle4progress Apr 2014 #45

Thanks! n/t pnwmom Apr 2014 #46

K Cha Apr 2014 #47

Nice post, Hitler. msanthrope Apr 2014 #49

Thanks! Glad it held up on your reading Godhumor Apr 2014 #53

Nicely done. nt Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #51

Thanks for digging into this. I appreciate MineralMan Apr 2014 #58

Thanks for clarifying mcar Apr 2014 #59

You smart people.....you're so, you know....smart Jeff In Milwaukee Apr 2014 #61

Why deal in facts when a good FUD fight is so tasty. Whisp Apr 2014 #66

You will be right there to vote? HangOnKids Apr 2014 #82

No I can't vote, and I should just shush because I'm not American? Whisp Apr 2014 #83

Oh Geez you going off again? HangOnKids Apr 2014 #85

Red faced are we? Whisp Apr 2014 #86

Perhaps you citing my limited experience HangOnKids Apr 2014 #88

Meh Bobbie Jo Apr 2014 #89

K & R. n/t FSogol Apr 2014 #73

Thank you for taking the time to do this. We need facts and information on DU, not okaawhatever Apr 2014 #74

I've figured out the problem ... JoePhilly Apr 2014 #77

Especially when confronted with Truth n' Facts. That's when the real outrage starts up Whisp Apr 2014 #90

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Apr 2014 #78

Thanks for the research. KnR to read later in full. nt Hekate Apr 2014 #81

K Cha Apr 2014 #84

thanks for the help on the kick Godhumor Apr 2014 #94

Kick and rec! zappaman Apr 2014 #87

K & R for the truth! nt okaawhatever Apr 2014 #95

Excellent. sagat May 2014 #96

A very nice synopsis davidpdx May 2014 #97

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K&R... giftedgirl77 May 2014 #101

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