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29. Same reason pro-choice wins out over anti-choice in the dem party

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 11:04 AM

Apr 2014

Many folks don't like a few select people removing choices or even suggesting they are for more regulations (like ultrasounds, having to have the dr registered with a hospital, etc and so on).

No crime or atrocity, not even the massacre of children at Sandy Hook Elementary School, has checked the strong trend of U.S. public policy to make ever more lethal weapons ever more easily available to ever more people, including people with histories of domestic violence.

Less than one percent of gun owners are harming anyone with guns.

2013: Philadelphia (CNN) -- A Philadelphia abortion provider who killed babies by cutting their spinal cords with scissors was found guilty of first-degree murder on Monday.

Maybe based on that story we need more regulations and laws? Or do we simply understand that the actions of on person does not define what others will do (ie, bias/stereotypes).

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Why Gun-Rights Backers Win While Other Conservative Causes Lose [View all] xchrom Apr 2014 OP

Old white men love a long hard rod. (See any ED commercial) nt onehandle Apr 2014 #1

You know, I have long thought that it is exactly this. It's power and Nay Apr 2014 #32

Men of all ages, and many women, too. Orsino Apr 2014 #35

Penis reference on the very first reply (with extra added race baiting!). /thread Lizzie Poppet Apr 2014 #42

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #45

People get bitter, and cling to their guns. DanTex Apr 2014 #2

Constitution explains it yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #31

As Obama said in 2008, said so honestly right wingers trashed him for it! alp227 Apr 2014 #101

America stopped being "The Home of the Brave" quite some time ago Bandit Apr 2014 #3

This! AleksS Apr 2014 #114

+100 n/t billh58 May 2014 #159

Gun control support is a mile wide and an inch deep. badtoworse Apr 2014 #4

Well, yeah...you almost never see gun control advocates setting up checkpoints. (nt) stone space Apr 2014 #5

How is your post relevant to this discussion? badtoworse Apr 2014 #6

I was responding to this: stone space Apr 2014 #7

Where are gun rights backers setting up checkpoints? badtoworse Apr 2014 #10

Guess you haven't been reading the news. But here's another example of how far... stone space Apr 2014 #11

What gun rights group were they representing or were they just assholes who happened to be armed? badtoworse Apr 2014 #12

"Assholes who happened to be armed" stems directly from the gun rights movement. Paladin Apr 2014 #14

Nope. not wearing it. There are legitimate uses for firearms, but these are not on the list. badtoworse Apr 2014 #16

Gun rights activists and domestic terrorists. stone space Apr 2014 #96

Like I said, a group of armed assholes doesn't speak for the millions of legitimate gun owners badtoworse Apr 2014 #103

Responsibe gun owners no doubt would have wanted to see him arrested immediately and his guns... stone space Apr 2014 #109

I didn't see them acting in a threatening way or breaking any law badtoworse Apr 2014 #110

I think it would have made more sense to arrest him that day for his threatening behavoir... stone space Apr 2014 #121

What would you have charged him with? Acting like a jerk is not illegal. badtoworse May 2014 #130

Terrorism. Dude brought an AR-15 to a political event to threaten and intimidate people and... stone space May 2014 #133

We must have watched a different video. badtoworse May 2014 #136

The Neo-Nazi with the AR-15 slung over his shoulder was talking about Civil Rights. Yeah, right. stone space May 2014 #142

Low post count, "escaped with their lives" Packerowner740 May 2014 #134

I don't understand your point here. stone space May 2014 #143

Checkpoints? No. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #9

Well, boo-fucking-hoo. Paladin Apr 2014 #15

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Pretty feeble. Have a better response for the next mass shooting, OK? (nt) Paladin Apr 2014 #18

Feel free to tell us how much you would oppose the police responding with guns drawn Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #28

Huh? Maybe you need a little break. (nt) Paladin Apr 2014 #30

And that break begins now. alp227 Apr 2014 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Apr 2014 #56

Like in PA Freddie Apr 2014 #13

I would still support Toomy/Manchin if it just came up for a vote derby378 Apr 2014 #20

I support expanded/universal b.g. tests. Why the opposition? Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #39

extreme fear-mongering works spanone Apr 2014 #8

All the responses in this thread about clinging, bitterness, milita membership, its a white issue... Mr_Rogers Apr 2014 #19

They have dominated the gun issue for around 40 years derby378 Apr 2014 #21

I'd agree with that... Mr_Rogers Apr 2014 #22

There is also the overriding obsession... derby378 Apr 2014 #25

The political leadership knows... Mr_Rogers Apr 2014 #26

"Demographically unique" "other baggage" like what? alp227 Apr 2014 #75

When I read that I thought of Bloomberg. NutmegYankee Apr 2014 #78

Good example... Mr_Rogers Apr 2014 #86

Rogers, I still wonder what you meant by "demographically unique". alp227 Apr 2014 #104

Unfortunately, Mr. Rogers billh58 May 2014 #162

"the NRA has been allowed to devolve into a purely political machine under teahadist influence." Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2014 #44

Short, accurate & concise. Thanks. nt Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #33

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Fortunately, most people have something different in mind when turning the country blue. Hoyt Apr 2014 #38

Fortunately, most courts and legislatures recognize the Constitutional right to be armed. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #46

"Forces of Freedom." Sounds so tbaggerish to me. Hoyt Apr 2014 #48

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #49

And the forces of the NRA supporters such as you have lost, billh58 May 2014 #148

+1. Hoyt May 2014 #149

NOT, EVEN, CLOSE SQUEE May 2014 #150

Dream on billh58 May 2014 #151

... well thought out and appropriate. SQUEE May 2014 #152

Again, you are free billh58 May 2014 #153

If we are gonna be bigoted, please call me SQUEE May 2014 #164

Nice NRA-apologist billh58 May 2014 #167

good luck, if all you offer to your "movement" is ignorance and name calling, you'll need it. SQUEE May 2014 #169

It is not billh58 May 2014 #170

words.. SQUEE May 2014 #171

Sounds like gun restrictions would put you out of the gun profiteering business. Not surprised. Hoyt May 2014 #160

.. pro bono work Hoyt. SQUEE May 2014 #163

Gun promotion, just the same. Hoyt May 2014 #165

Yup, unapologetic, and honest SQUEE May 2014 #166

except... pipoman Apr 2014 #24

& the answers are: *CLOAKING* gunnuttery in "populism," "empowerment," & "non-racial" - plus, UTUSN Apr 2014 #27

Inconvenient truths for billh58 May 2014 #154

Same reason pro-choice wins out over anti-choice in the dem party The Straight Story Apr 2014 #29

"Less than one percent of gun owners are harming anyone with guns." mac56 Apr 2014 #34

About the same The Straight Story Apr 2014 #36

When the pro control advocates Riftaxe Apr 2014 #47

Wow that's a new meme isn't it? upaloopa Apr 2014 #53

I do believe it is just an observation Riftaxe Apr 2014 #57

Take it any way you want upaloopa Apr 2014 #59

I have no idea what you're talking about. mac56 Apr 2014 #54

Thank you for the laugh etherealtruth Apr 2014 #97

Not a shot was fired at the Bundy ranch, but our country was harmed by the armed gun fanciers Hoyt Apr 2014 #40

oh, how else shall we expand it The Straight Story Apr 2014 #41

Was it more harm then when the other Riftaxe Apr 2014 #50

Difficult to respond to gibberish. But, I'm talking about the right wing gun yahoos who showed up. Hoyt Apr 2014 #51

Can we agree armed robery should also be listed SQUEE Apr 2014 #52

So stats matter more than saving lives? Sheesh. alp227 Apr 2014 #106

*facepalm* The Straight Story Apr 2014 #108

Yes, we get it, guns matter more than human life. Facepalm indeed. DanTex Apr 2014 #117

You can't look at different types of things in the same consistent lens. alp227 May 2014 #124

Party lines are blurred when it comes to gun control issues oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #37

But, she gets re-elected. So I assume her non-right wing constituency supports her. Hoyt Apr 2014 #58

I wouldn't call Democrats who are gun owners right wing and you have to admit oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #60

Sometimes, you just gotta do what is right, not what is popular among yahoos. Hoyt Apr 2014 #61

What our party needs is a leading Democrat that can resonate with the majority of gun owners oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #65

Yeah, let's get one of these guys to run. Hoyt Apr 2014 #69

...and you wonder why the dialogue never goes anywhere. badtoworse Apr 2014 #72

I know exactly why dialog goes nowhere -- gun fanciers can't imagine life without access to Hoyt Apr 2014 #73

You're proving my point. You might get seven states to go along with Australia's approach. badtoworse Apr 2014 #79

Better approach is one more rational Justice, and get rid of bigoted right wingers Hoyt Apr 2014 #81

Don't hold your breath. If anything, the trend is in the other direction. badtoworse Apr 2014 #82

I think the 4 Justice Dissent in Heller indicates otherwise. Hoyt Apr 2014 #88

There is no legal impediment to passing strict gun control hack89 Apr 2014 #99

What we need is someone who's willing to deal. badtoworse Apr 2014 #70

Yeah, the Molon Labe crowd proves that. Hoyt Apr 2014 #100

Folks like you keep the NRA in business. badtoworse Apr 2014 #105

Nope, yahoos into gunz and manufacturers, keep them in business. Leadership is who's who Hoyt Apr 2014 #120

But people like you ensure that reasonable compromise is impossible hack89 May 2014 #131

When gun owners hear people blathering about taking their guns, they send more checks to the NRA. badtoworse May 2014 #132

Then, they aren't Democrats and will only vote for white/right wingers because Hoyt May 2014 #135

Do you seriously believe a state like Michigan would stay blue if politicians there talked like you? badtoworse May 2014 #137

I'm not running for anything. I just do not believe your fellow Michigan gun fanciers like this Hoyt May 2014 #138

They're not the ones I'd worry about. badtoworse May 2014 #139

They are the majority of gun fanciers and nuts. Hoyt May 2014 #140

In the first category, but ridiculous gun laws impact all gun owners badtoworse May 2014 #141

Be careful. No drinking or horsing around. Hoyt May 2014 #144

Not really. There are very few NRA-style gun fanatics that are actually Democrats. DanTex Apr 2014 #116

And that's putting it billh58 May 2014 #155

I used to live in Texas (hence my screen name). DanTex May 2014 #157

Most (almost all) billh58 May 2014 #158

I know a guy in upstate NY who owned a gun that was made illegal by the SAFE act. DanTex May 2014 #161

Frum cites 10-yr-old Gallup data. More recent findings Eleanors38 Apr 2014 #43

Civil liberties can freak some people out. aikoaiko Apr 2014 #55

Given how rhetorically nasty anti-gun people can be... MicaelS Apr 2014 #62

That is arguing on a purely emotional plane and poorly even by that standard. badtoworse Apr 2014 #63

I think that is good. When guns become like cigarettes, swastikas and incest, so much the better. Hoyt Apr 2014 #64

Actually, I think the opposite reaction is more likely. badtoworse Apr 2014 #66

That kind of attitude/anger does not mix well with guns. Hoyt Apr 2014 #67

What sort of a response do you usually get to insults? badtoworse Apr 2014 #71

"That's why your [gun owners] have to behave better, they gotta act nicer, they gotta try harder..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2014 #80

you do realize your constant belittling approach to people isn't winning anyone to your cause,right? dionysus Apr 2014 #74

If I tickled gun fanciers with a feather, it wouldn't change their obsession with gunz. Hoyt Apr 2014 #77

i don't think you have to worry anyone on DU shooting up anything, seriously... nt. dionysus Apr 2014 #83

I don't know, some of the discussions in Gungeon are concerning. I remember one Hoyt Apr 2014 #85

If folks in the gungeon said worse things to you, why are you one of only two people banned there? Lasher Apr 2014 #111

Maybe he was banned for sounding like a broken record. badtoworse Apr 2014 #112

You have to repeat things over and over to get through to those with gunz strapped to their body. Hoyt Apr 2014 #119

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #127

No such lofty aspirations. Simply cannot resist responding to Hoyt May 2014 #128

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #129

The gungeon is for gun fanciers. You know, to discuss shooting people efficiently, Hoyt Apr 2014 #118

I get it now, it's like protective custody to protect you from those unprovoked personal attacks. Lasher May 2014 #125

so is your goal (on DU) to bring people over to your side, or just snark it out with gun folks�? dionysus Apr 2014 #84

Nope, I'm here to convince women to shun gun fanciers. I believe it is Hoyt Apr 2014 #87

Pro Tip�: using belittling remarks in every post isn't clever, and it won't convince anyone to join dionysus Apr 2014 #89

Don't expect inveterate gun fanciers to change. Hoyt Apr 2014 #90

guns aren't important to me. near the bottom of the list. dionysus Apr 2014 #91

Why would any women take your posts seriously? hack89 Apr 2014 #93

Oh Hack, you take stuff too seriously.. Doesn't mix well with gunz. Hoyt Apr 2014 #98

Hard to take "gunz" seriously hack89 Apr 2014 #102

No way you're real oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #113

I agree sweetapogee May 2014 #145

You think appealing to their concern for society or innocent kids works? Hoyt May 2014 #147

how do you know? sweetapogee May 2014 #156

+100 billh58 May 2014 #168

Hoyt's tongue is firmly planted in his cheek hack89 Apr 2014 #92

but it gets stale after a while, the same lines over and overand over and 10 million times... nt dionysus Apr 2014 #94

I have always wondered what side he is actually on hack89 Apr 2014 #95

I think I've figured it out oneofthe99 May 2014 #123

what Zimmerman does is A-OK Skittles Apr 2014 #68

Guns are toys for childish men randys1 Apr 2014 #76

insecure racists are still a large voting block. mwrguy Apr 2014 #115

It's not the NRA. It's the people of the US. Look at CO. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #122

It's an inefficient eugenics program Turbineguy May 2014 #126

Call me a pessimist, but a lot of conservative causes seem to be winning YoungDemCA May 2014 #146