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40. Being against the death penalty is not about

Wed Apr 30, 2014, 02:29 PM

Apr 2014

having empathy/sympathy for the condemned and is certainly not about minimizing his or her crimes or not having any concern or sympathy for the victim and his or her family. It is about wanting a civilized society that does not exact barbarian-style revenge, and that does not engage in such blood just revenge that ultimately does no good and certainly does not bring back the victim. It only causes the same pain to other families, who had nothing to do with it.

And yes, I've signed a "do not murder my murderer" document that my state's anti-death-penalty group has developed in conjunction with other states and if anyone else has a problem with that, as some people have, too damned bad. The death penalty is barbaric and wrong and we are one of the very few developed nations that actually still use it. Does it make you proud that we are on a par with North Korea and Iraq as far as the numbers of those we execute? Does it make you proud that minorities who are accused of crimes against whites receive the DP disproportionately, far more than the other way around and certainly far more than wealthy whites, in this country?

"Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?"

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46yr old man raped and murdered an 11month old baby.. [View all] HipChick Apr 2014 OP

Shouldn't this be posted in Blood Lust group? Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #1

I dunno, should you? Brickbat Apr 2014 #2

Life in prison is more of a prison than death. onehandle Apr 2014 #3

Most people think that until the morning of your own execution oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #5

Then a few hours later you have no worries at all. onehandle Apr 2014 #8

You might be surprised how some people adopt to life in prison oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #10

Death is freedom. onehandle Apr 2014 #12

Like I said until it's your turn to be strapped down on a gurney oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #13

I recently did some internet research exboyfil Apr 2014 #29

And yet death row inmate after inmate fight to live in such an environment rather than die. Jgarrick Apr 2014 #33

It's a mental diversion from prison. onehandle Apr 2014 #69

Death is too easy for people like him madokie Apr 2014 #68

The point is that if we want to... TreasonousBastard Apr 2014 #4

Because really, it is all about *US* being better than *HIM*, right? IdaBriggs Apr 2014 #14

+1, yes it is... uponit7771 Apr 2014 #36

What the mother of the victim wants doesn't matter. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #56

You'd kill someone who killed because of a recognised mental illness? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2014 #65

One act of barbarism doesn't justify another. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #6

True but I wouldn't be able to live right until I saw dead him if it was my child he did it to oneofthe99 Apr 2014 #7

I agree with you atreides1 Apr 2014 #26

+1,000! K&R nt avebury Apr 2014 #67

I find it implausible to believe that anyone chooses to have such compulsions Douglas Carpenter Apr 2014 #9

No, rehabilitate him with kind words and hugs. Prison is tourture. All men should be free 951-Riverside Apr 2014 #11

Ridiculous strawman is ridiculous. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #15

It's not a straw man at all. Surely you agree that taking away a person's freedom is inhumane 951-Riverside Apr 2014 #19

Good gods, I really hope you're kidding. Vashta Nerada Apr 2014 #20

Absolutely no one is saying that. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #22

well it is the conservative argument that neverforget Apr 2014 #25

Depriving him of his freedom isnt going to bring the baby back. End this barbaric practice. 951-Riverside Apr 2014 #34

Right, it's either torture someone to death or let them go. NuclearDem Apr 2014 #35

Prison is torture. Kind words, hugs, therapy and a job is much more effective for this man. 951-Riverside Apr 2014 #41

You really haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about do you? NuclearDem Apr 2014 #43

On what objective, peer-reviewed analysis is the allegation based on? LanternWaste Apr 2014 #57

You're funny. rrneck Apr 2014 #39

It actually costs MORE to execute a person Atman May 2014 #77

+1 get the red out Apr 2014 #37

It's not about the criminal; it's about the people who make and enforce the laws. surrealAmerican Apr 2014 #16

No, you should care about the law of the land, though. PeaceNikki Apr 2014 #17

The death penalty IS the law of the land in OK. nt B2G Apr 2014 #24

So you're fine with torturing someone to death. Gotcha Scootaloo Apr 2014 #18

the man was not screaming and convulsions are not torture. magical thyme Apr 2014 #72

This man should have a slow and agonizing death RebelOne Apr 2014 #21

You should start a movement calling for an amendment to the Constitution Estrella Fugaz May 2014 #75

This poor baby had B2G Apr 2014 #23

The White House cares Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #27

Interesting. Dr. Strange Apr 2014 #50

Seems legit Capt. Obvious Apr 2014 #54

The issue with capital punishment isn't people like Warner. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #28

This has NOTHING to do with being opposed to capital punishment. closeupready Apr 2014 #30

Should an individual's personal feelings have anything to do with legislation? RedCappedBandit Apr 2014 #31

If you can't muster any empathy for this guy, try to muster some for an innocent person... Hippo_Tron Apr 2014 #32

+1 BuddhaGirl Apr 2014 #61

I doubt they could do anything to that guy to make me feel bad for him. PeteSelman Apr 2014 #38

Being against the death penalty is not about liberalhistorian Apr 2014 #40

We don't "kill people to show that killing people is wrong". blueamy66 Apr 2014 #44

They can never kill again once liberalhistorian Apr 2014 #49

yeah, murders are never committed in prison. nt arely staircase Apr 2014 #53

Do you have stats on how many murders have been committed by death rom inmates? morningfog May 2014 #74

no because it doesn't hapoen arely staircase May 2014 #76

I know you are being flippant, I am challenging you morningfog May 2014 #78

no you are right arely staircase May 2014 #82

You got nothing. Lol. The studies would surprise you. morningfog May 2014 #83

Death Penalty Not Needed to Prevent Prison Murder morningfog May 2014 #84

well I guess that explains why they feel they need the DP arely staircase May 2014 #86

Oh yes they can. They can kill in prison. blueamy66 Apr 2014 #58

I don't hold Homo sapiens sapiens in such elevated regard. WinkyDink May 2014 #85

why do we lock up people who lock up people to show that locking arely staircase Apr 2014 #52

I'd settle for your respecting the 8th Amendment. Paladin Apr 2014 #42

No empathy here.. Upton Apr 2014 #45

I have absolutely no sympathy for this POS Warner. nt AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #46

I have no empathy for him, but I still oppose the death penalty 100%. Nye Bevan Apr 2014 #47

I am not asking for you to have empathy in any way. NCTraveler Apr 2014 #48

I would understand (but still disagree with) your argument if we were 100% certain he was guilty stevenleser Apr 2014 #51

My opposition to the death penalty has just about nothing to do with compassion Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #55

I don't agree. blueamy66 Apr 2014 #59

correlation does not equal causation. magical thyme Apr 2014 #62

I really don't need to be lectured on causation versus correlation. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #64

We are not them. Sienna86 Apr 2014 #60

unrec spanone Apr 2014 #63

So you prefer to stoop to the same level as the defendent? avebury Apr 2014 #66

I agree. delta17 Apr 2014 #70

There are some very disturbing people on this thread. 99Forever Apr 2014 #71

Reagan democrats. GeorgeGist May 2014 #73

My view is radical. Evergreen Emerald May 2014 #79

I kinda think like this too Sheepshank May 2014 #81

As long as we've been executing people in the US you'd think we could be better at it tularetom May 2014 #80