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Cha

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47. Excellent analysis, MADem!
Thu May 1, 2014, 02:42 AM
May 2014
"Greenwald and Poitras could have met him ANYWHERE. There was no "rule" that they had to meet in HK. Hell, South America would have been far more convenient for GG.

He went to China because it was a hop, skip and a jump from Russia, because he knew he could get a room at the Russian consulate, and he could get help leaving and hiding out in the once-and-perhaps-future USSR. No doubt the room he had at that high end hotel had been swept for bugs--and maybe even bugged anew--by his Russian friends. Who knows, maybe they even rented it for him.


Going to HK (and then saying "Gee, I wanna go to Iceland...no, South America!!&quot gave Russia cover, as though they had no role in the mess until, oh, alas, alack, poor Ed got "stuck" in Russia (of course, his stay at the Russian consulate kinda screwed that plausible deniability)."
Drake didn't go to Russia. He revealed exactly what Snowden did, 9 years ago. Recursion Apr 2014 #1
Snowden wouldn't have been treated like Drake. Chelsea Manning's ordeal proves that. n/t. Ken Burch May 2014 #2
Like Snowden, Manning bulk-released classified intel. Drake didn't. Recursion May 2014 #3
Which doesn't exactly vindicate Drake's strategy there, does it? n/t. Ken Burch May 2014 #10
I dunno. Has it stopped because of Snowden, either? (nt) Recursion May 2014 #15
Not yet, but unlike with Drake, it hasn't actually got WORSE. Ken Burch May 2014 #17
Sure it has. A weaker NSA means a stronger CIA. That's much worse. Recursion May 2014 #23
There's no moral difference between the NSA and the CIA Ken Burch May 2014 #24
Surveillance *never* serves the people? Recursion May 2014 #25
OK, it did in World War II, when we were fighting a real enemy(the Nazis) Ken Burch May 2014 #28
So, for example, catching John Gotti wasn't worth tapping his phone? Recursion May 2014 #29
The problem with that argument is that, if you accept surveillance in those cases, Ken Burch May 2014 #31
Yes, the government is capable of abusing its power. Good thing we don't have single payer, then? Recursion May 2014 #32
Healthcare records have nothing in common with NSA surveillance. Ken Burch May 2014 #35
Ah, *these* government employees are good, and *those* ones are evil Recursion May 2014 #37
It's the truth. Ken Burch May 2014 #39
How many people who work at either do you actually know? Recursion May 2014 #42
I seriously doubt you know any humanistic democratic progressives Ken Burch May 2014 #49
+1000 Well stated cprise May 2014 #70
Well,the poster I was sparring with there still hasn't responded to it. Ken Burch May 2014 #75
If you can draw him into a philosophical discussion cprise May 2014 #78
Actually, yes. Adrahil May 2014 #86
Manning is military....they have an entirely different set of rules.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #5
Yes. Ken Burch May 2014 #12
did I say excuse? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #16
Snowden would be given a life sentence without parole. Ken Burch May 2014 #33
30 years was th max he was facing. 10 years per count on 3 count arely staircase May 2014 #119
Drake himself agrees he is an example of what NOT to do cprise May 2014 #62
i doubt you'll get responses to this... druidity33 May 2014 #67
Pure ProSense May 2014 #69
No such "implication"... cprise May 2014 #74
FACTS SUCK!!!! / sarcarsm <-----cause this is needed around here uponit7771 May 2014 #90
And Snowden HAD to go to Russia or Hong Kong OnyxCollie May 2014 #4
Paul Revere ran to Russia, either by choice or out of stupidity... SidDithers May 2014 #6
Paul Revere *rode* to *Lexington*. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #8
He most certainly was a traitor--a traitor to the British Crown! MADem May 2014 #53
'He Is Priceless': Here's Why Edward Snowden Is Screwed ProSense May 2014 #7
You would prefer that nothing be changed. Ken Burch May 2014 #11
No, ProSense May 2014 #14
But there'd be no debate if Snowden hadn't done what he did. Ken Burch May 2014 #19
Snowden was ProSense May 2014 #27
You have so lost this "debate". cprise May 2014 #68
When backed into a corner surrounded by facts, Sheepshank May 2014 #102
As I pointed out, xenophobic conspiracy theories aren't 'facts'. n/t cprise May 2014 #103
If Snowden is Putin's tool, OnyxCollie May 2014 #21
From you link, PS.. thanks.. Cha May 2014 #26
And why are you dissing Assange? He was right, too. Ken Burch May 2014 #30
Given that we forced down the plane of a sovereign head of state, MannyGoldstein May 2014 #9
In the reality-based community, crackpot conspiracy theories don't become facts struggle4progress May 2014 #13
Other than apologies from foreign heads of state MannyGoldstein May 2014 #22
Portugal had notified Morales a day or two before his departure from Moscow that struggle4progress May 2014 #50
And didn't they later claim they had a fuel gauge issue? MADem May 2014 #56
We still owe Evo Morales and the people of Bolivia an apology for that. Ken Burch May 2014 #40
What actual evidence exists of any US involvement in that event at all? struggle4progress May 2014 #65
Thank you. snot May 2014 #18
I'm not. The pro-secrecy, pro-status quo brigade was bound to turn up. Ken Burch May 2014 #20
I wonder if Puglover May 2014 #115
He DID have the alternative to only collect and release information about US internal surveillance. pnwmom May 2014 #34
It's not cleanly separated like that. Ken Burch May 2014 #41
And it's not as if all his releases are fine, no matter what the content. n/t pnwmom May 2014 #44
I'm not at all comfortable... Adrahil May 2014 #85
He most certainly DID have one. He was either stupid, or he's everywhere he wants to be. MADem May 2014 #36
Would you agree that, once he said he wanted to go to South America Ken Burch May 2014 #38
For all you know, Putin organized that little playlet with Evo to create buzz. MADem May 2014 #43
Of course not. The US had no obligation to offer him unimpeded passage , pnwmom May 2014 #45
Excellent analysis, MADem! Cha May 2014 #47
P.S... Have you seen this theory? Cha May 2014 #48
Yes. I have to say, the more he pipes up, the more he makes the pronouncements about MADem May 2014 #51
Putin and Comrade Eddie needed to get Cha May 2014 #52
Enough with the "Comrade Eddie" crap Ken Burch May 2014 #76
Phrase has NOTHING to do with cold war and comrade is Russian term no US uponit7771 May 2014 #94
LOL!!! Capt. Obvious May 2014 #99
Comrade is actually a French term, adopted by the Russians. Ken Burch May 2014 #113
Isn't Putin doing that, restarting the Cold War? MADem May 2014 #106
He's trying to put the old pre-revolutionary Tsarist empire back together. Ken Burch May 2014 #114
I didn't say "commie"--I did say "Soviet Socialist Republics" though. MADem May 2014 #116
Nor has Wikileaks released the Russian files. joshcryer May 2014 #55
+1,000..! MADem May 2014 #57
1000+ uponit7771 May 2014 #93
Nothing leaked about Putin is a really good point, seems everyone else has been on the list except h uponit7771 May 2014 #92
The events are accurate, but I don't think he intended it. joshcryer May 2014 #54
Two things stick out. Well, three. MADem May 2014 #58
So Snowden wasn't stuck in an airport? WOW!! This Snowden thing seems more rapped around Russia uponit7771 May 2014 #95
He probably went straight to a dacha when he landed. MADem May 2014 #104
I was very reluctant to think Snowden was anything but a broken toy. randome May 2014 #98
Excellent post! Bobbie Jo May 2014 #87
Of course! That's why Snowden went to China first! Major Hogwash May 2014 #46
Yes! Any idiot can see that a layover in Hong Kong on a flight from Hawaii to Moscow Maedhros May 2014 #110
Perhaps, but if he had half a brain he would have located himself in a country of his choice before lostincalifornia May 2014 #59
K&R. redgreenandblue May 2014 #60
The pearl clutching over Snowden being stranded in Russia is just a distraction. Obnoxious_One May 2014 #61
Sowden is a dirty traitor and I wish cancer on him and any children he ever has. n/t leeroysphitz May 2014 #63
Wow. Get a grip! elias49 May 2014 #64
i hope that it never happens to you or anyone that you know or love.. frylock May 2014 #66
You'd wish cancer on his future KIDS? Like this would be THEIR fault? Ken Burch May 2014 #83
Snowden did NOT want to go to Russia. The US Govt forced him to remain there when they sabrina 1 May 2014 #71
Again, ProSense May 2014 #72
You can post all the words and links you want, but the FACT IS, Snowden WAS NOT HEADED FOR RUSSIA. sabrina 1 May 2014 #73
Those are NOT the facts, even if he wasn't headed for Russia why the lie about being "stuck" in an uponit7771 May 2014 #97
If he wanted to go to South America, why didn't he go there, instead of Hong Kong? Adrahil May 2014 #88
That has been explained over and over again. He was absolutely correct to choose a route that sabrina 1 May 2014 #100
Bull. Snowden was funneled exactly where Assange wanted him. NT Adrahil May 2014 #101
Who's funding Assange these days? Could his name be Vladimir? MADem May 2014 #105
New taking points don't facts. Snowden was headed for SA When the US Govt forced sabrina 1 May 2014 #117
Make up your mind Sheepshank May 2014 #107
Repetition = Truth Bobbie Jo May 2014 #109
although it's not working very well in this case. n/t Sheepshank May 2014 #111
No, not so much Bobbie Jo May 2014 #112
And now to correct that erroneous statement from you. First, the US GOVT forced Snowden to REMAIN sabrina 1 May 2014 #118
look at your post #100...YOU said he "chose" Sheepshank May 2014 #120
This is not reality uponit7771 May 2014 #96
Snowden had alternative decisions, he chose not to use them. I doubt if Thinkingabout May 2014 #77
I surmise life in Russia is better than getting life in the US prison system cprise May 2014 #81
Life in Russia may be better for as long as Putin needs him to remain as a patsy. Thinkingabout May 2014 #84
He could have stayed in Hawaii lame54 May 2014 #79
Uh, no. Hawaii is part of the U.S., and he'd have been arrested there. Ken Burch May 2014 #80
I think you missed the point - but that's ok - good night lame54 May 2014 #82
Not if---as was reported early on--they were "on" to him and his security clearance was about to be MADem May 2014 #108
1. Most of the 'secrets' Snowden revealed have to do with international spying. randome May 2014 #89
"We all know that no other choices existed..." Blue_Tires May 2014 #91
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