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Showing Original Post only (View all)Obama Says Critics Suffer "Lack Of Knowledge" Of Secret TPP Treaty [View all]
IF that were true, whose fault would it be? But it's NOT...
http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/dave-johnson/55680/obama-says-critics-suffer-lack-of-knowledge-of-secret-tpp-treaty
the president said critics are uninformed and even believing conspiracy theories. He said people should wait and see whats in the agreement before criticizing it. He also dismissed criticism because it reflects lack of knowledge of what is going on in the negotiations.
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The TPP talks are secret. There are a number of advisors (almost all are corporate representatives) who have access to what is being negotiated but the advisors are pledged to secrecy. The public is not a party to the negotiations, nor are our representatives in Congress.
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What we do know about TPP largely comes from leaks. And what has been leaked is cause for serious concern. Last year Wikileaks obtained the TPP chapter covering patents, copyrights, trademarks, industrial design and other intellectual property. This chapter was updated as of last August and may have improved since, but it is no conspiracy theory to be afraid of what was in the August version.
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The treaty will likely be rushed through Congress with a rigged fast track process that sets aside the constitutional responsibility of Congress to carefully consider and debate treaties. Fast track even sets aside the constitutions requirement that two-thirds of the Senate agree. All of this occurs while corporations use their tremendous wealth and power to influence what the public and members of Congress understand about the treaty.
This is start to finish a process designed to cut democracy out of the equation.
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The TPP talks are secret. There are a number of advisors (almost all are corporate representatives) who have access to what is being negotiated but the advisors are pledged to secrecy. The public is not a party to the negotiations, nor are our representatives in Congress.
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What we do know about TPP largely comes from leaks. And what has been leaked is cause for serious concern. Last year Wikileaks obtained the TPP chapter covering patents, copyrights, trademarks, industrial design and other intellectual property. This chapter was updated as of last August and may have improved since, but it is no conspiracy theory to be afraid of what was in the August version.
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The treaty will likely be rushed through Congress with a rigged fast track process that sets aside the constitutional responsibility of Congress to carefully consider and debate treaties. Fast track even sets aside the constitutions requirement that two-thirds of the Senate agree. All of this occurs while corporations use their tremendous wealth and power to influence what the public and members of Congress understand about the treaty.
This is start to finish a process designed to cut democracy out of the equation.
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Obama Says Critics Suffer "Lack Of Knowledge" Of Secret TPP Treaty [View all]
HomerRamone
May 2014
OP
Do you have the exact question and answer? Why not post the primary source? nt
msanthrope
May 2014
#5
Why not do a little reading to answer your own questions--is this a doctoral dissertaion? nt
HomerRamone
May 2014
#8
And after reading that discussion, I agree with those who disagreed with you there. Sorry.
HomerRamone
May 2014
#23
Indeed...agreeing with a poster who blamed the President for a law passed 16
msanthrope
May 2014
#24
Um, what? You have Krugman's actual article in front of you, plain as day, but you
msanthrope
May 2014
#35
I'm done quibbling about sources, and it's not my fault you're not on an adequate device
HomerRamone
May 2014
#36
Its an awesome source....but as im on a phone, can't scroll properly. this is a courtesy
msanthrope
May 2014
#15
Yeah. Then we'll have to "look forward, not backwards". What weasel tactics.
GoneFishin
May 2014
#27
I never saw opposition mobilized during this administration as it was to Obamacare.
merrily
May 2014
#50
The public can do plenty, but signing email petitions and calling their Rep are
merrily
May 2014
#57
Two reasons to be against it: 1) It's secret and 2) The advisors are almost all corporate shills.
Scuba
May 2014
#22
"You don't know what's in it and I won't tell you so ... it's all your fault"
FiveGoodMen
May 2014
#25
His positions on surveillance and extra-judicial executions are republican from the '00s
FiveGoodMen
May 2014
#34
Why the secrecy, Mr. President? The government gets to keep secrets, citizens don't?
merrily
May 2014
#41
Since our government won't tell us what it's doing so we can be informed...Paging Edward Snowden!
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2014
#42
Every trade agreement has been a failure since and including NAFTA . Why keep racing to the bottom ?
geretogo
May 2014
#49
The classification language in the leaked docs says FOUR YEARS of waiting before release.
pa28
May 2014
#53
That is exactly what we have said. The corporatists sat down in another secret meeting and wrote
jwirr
May 2014
#63
Come on down to smiling Barack's Used Car Lot. I see why the blood lust level reaction now,
TheKentuckian
May 2014
#66