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In reply to the discussion: Nader wants the most Progressive on the left, who barely tolerate Democrats, to join Libertarians? [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)22. WTH are you talking about?
"But an alliance with Billy Tauzin and big pharma is hunky dory?"
The President's efforts to pass health care reform were successful, and those who opposed those efforts are a still hanging onto four-year-old spin. Libertarians are working to deny people health care.
The ACA increased the Medicaid rebate percentage.
http://www.medicaid.gov/AffordableCareAct/Timeline/Timeline.html
Issue Brief - Medicare Drug Negotiation and Rebates
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Best Price. A third argument is that it makes sense for Medicare to receive the best price available for prescription drugs, just like Medicaid and the VA. In Medicaid, the drug manufacturer provides the federal government discounts for drugs, which are shared with the states. The discount is either the minimum drug amount or an amount based on the best price paid by private drug purchasers, whichever is less. Current law requires drug companies to charge Medicaid 23 percent less than the average price they receive for the sale of a drug to retail pharmacies. Drug companies also must provide another discount if a drugs price rises faster than the rate of inflation (Thomas and Pear, 2013)...Medicaid rebates, if applied to Part D, would save the federal government money. According to a 2011 study conducted by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Medicaid rebates were three times greater than the discounts negotiated by Part D for 100 brand name drugs. In 68 of these drugs, Medicaid rebates were twice as high as rebates granted by the drug companies for Medicare drugs (OIG HHS, 2011; Hulsey, 2013). Similarly, a 2008 study of drug pricing information by the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform found that Part D paid, on average, 30 percent more for drugs than Medicaid (Hulsey, 2013).
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http://www.ncpssm.org/PublicPolicy/Medicare/Documents/ArticleID/1138/Issue-Brief-Medicare-Drug-Negotiation-and-Rebates
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Best Price. A third argument is that it makes sense for Medicare to receive the best price available for prescription drugs, just like Medicaid and the VA. In Medicaid, the drug manufacturer provides the federal government discounts for drugs, which are shared with the states. The discount is either the minimum drug amount or an amount based on the best price paid by private drug purchasers, whichever is less. Current law requires drug companies to charge Medicaid 23 percent less than the average price they receive for the sale of a drug to retail pharmacies. Drug companies also must provide another discount if a drugs price rises faster than the rate of inflation (Thomas and Pear, 2013)...Medicaid rebates, if applied to Part D, would save the federal government money. According to a 2011 study conducted by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Medicaid rebates were three times greater than the discounts negotiated by Part D for 100 brand name drugs. In 68 of these drugs, Medicaid rebates were twice as high as rebates granted by the drug companies for Medicare drugs (OIG HHS, 2011; Hulsey, 2013). Similarly, a 2008 study of drug pricing information by the U.S. House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform found that Part D paid, on average, 30 percent more for drugs than Medicaid (Hulsey, 2013).
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http://www.ncpssm.org/PublicPolicy/Medicare/Documents/ArticleID/1138/Issue-Brief-Medicare-Drug-Negotiation-and-Rebates
The President has proposed the same rate for Medicare (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022670043 ), which would save even more than the Senate proposal (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022725266), $164 billion to $141 billion, respectively.
Also: Fuck Nader.
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Nader wants the most Progressive on the left, who barely tolerate Democrats, to join Libertarians? [View all]
stevenleser
May 2014
OP
I'm really surprised at this one. Libertarians are corporatists pure and simple. You would think
stevenleser
May 2014
#2
100% right on! Libertarians are corporatists, and Ralph Nadar is a shadow of his former self.
DrewFlorida
May 2014
#102
And yet the irony is he's suggesting that Libertarians should join together with progressives
pnwmom
May 2014
#70
There are stylistic differences between individuals, and a few substantive differences
BlueStreak
May 2014
#87
What can we Democrats do to reign in Corporations and Wall Street to thwart the libertarians?
KoKo
May 2014
#31
See #'s 104 and 106 below. Clearly some progressives are giving it serious thought. nt
stevenleser
May 2014
#110
Neither of those posts indicate that a progressive is thinking of voting for Paul,
winter is coming
May 2014
#114
And thats the few areas where there is seemingly some agreement between the philosophies
stevenleser
May 2014
#111
Nader said all that and more in an interview concerning a book he has coming out
stevenleser
May 2014
#11
It's been the big topic on DU for the last 48 hours so I thought everyone had seen it.
stevenleser
May 2014
#19
Doesn't sound like he actually even understands what a libertarian is.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
May 2014
#30
I saw things like this from some Progressives when the Tea Party started in 2009 and also in 2007
stevenleser
May 2014
#37
Correct. Libertarians would have Tea Party support and the support of Large corporate donors.
stevenleser
May 2014
#24
No straw man or other logical fallacy involved. This is what Nader is pushing. nt
stevenleser
May 2014
#51
Except, calling Libertarians distrustful of corporations is stretching it, I think.
stevenleser
May 2014
#29
For the past 30 years, Ralph Nader has been a NEGATIVE force in American politics
scheming daemons
May 2014
#34
And once it's talked through, I think that is where Progressives come down on this issue
stevenleser
May 2014
#45
I voted for Nader back in 2000... he was cool back then but now he is simply pathetic.
DCBob
May 2014
#49
My understanding is that Nader believes it is already too late for anything else.
salib
May 2014
#59
I eagerly await his next book, proposing an alliance between the NAACP and the KKK (nt)
jeff47
May 2014
#63
On Monday, Nader was on "Democracy Now!" talking about how trade agreements reduce sovereignty
Algernon Moncrieff
May 2014
#66
Political libertarians do not understand the fundamentals of running the government.
Rex
May 2014
#74
marijuana reform needs to continue to mainstream. joining a coalition with code pink, nader
arely staircase
May 2014
#83
I know exactly what a strawman and the other logical fallacies are. You changed my argument
stevenleser
May 2014
#100
If he advocated for progressives who barely tolerate Democrats to join the Greens, he would
Zorra
May 2014
#103
As much as I would hate it, at least it wouldn't be completely illogical from an ideology
stevenleser
May 2014
#105
Yes, you did miss the point, and you are an example of whom Nader is targeting. nt
stevenleser
May 2014
#113
Just about everyone can find a couple of areas of agreement. That is not the point.
stevenleser
May 2014
#108
You would have a point if that was not how people self-identify. Moreover...
stevenleser
May 2014
#117