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randome

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86. Collapsing bridges affect lower income workers, too.

Thu May 1, 2014, 11:42 AM

May 2014

I'd rather we didn't have any toll roads but with the GOP obstructing in the House, how could the infrastructure be fixed?
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White House opens door to tolls on interstate highways, removing long-standing prohibition. [View all] dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 OP

Mass Pike already has tolls... I pay 'em daily. Agschmid Apr 2014 #1

i'm used to tolls as well. some speak as if this means the end of america or something... dionysus May 2014 #49

It sure is an odd thread... Agschmid May 2014 #68

You mean "threads" jberryhill May 2014 #104

no hfojvt May 2014 #93

from what you described, i think the interstates of NY, MA, NH and ME have spoiled me. dionysus May 2014 #100

You may be used to tolls, but ... Laelth May 2014 #110

well, since we can't get an appropriations bill through, or raise taxes due to fillibustering or the dionysus May 2014 #111

We will simply have to reduce the amount that we give to the states for roads. Laelth May 2014 #114

yes, i care, i just don't agree with your conclusion. you could be right, you could be wrong. nt. dionysus May 2014 #118

I admit that my crystal ball is not perfect. Laelth May 2014 #121

point taken. maybe because where a grew up, where i live, and driving between the two, there dionysus May 2014 #123

There's very little we can get through the House, no doubt. Laelth May 2014 #124

Can I just say here you are correct about that huge outcry, because dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #138

The fact that northeasterners are acclimated to paying tolls to use their own public infrastructure lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #127

You lost me... Agschmid May 2014 #133

+1! Enthusiast May 2014 #134

Jesus, we can't fly NV Whino Apr 2014 #2

This. ^^^^^ +1000 n/t Beartracks Apr 2014 #8

They would if there weren't so many 1% asshole reps in the Senate and House. Cha Apr 2014 #15

All part of the plan. woo me with science Apr 2014 #33

The plan is the ownership society. zeemike May 2014 #41

On Wednesday's The Cycle on MSNBC, there was another piece of the picture featured ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #42

I see it too. zeemike May 2014 #57

You are absolutely on target. dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #70

Damn....I had no idea how right I was. zeemike May 2014 #80

have you heard of "rentier" capitalism? dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #85

I first heard the term from Max Kaiser. zeemike May 2014 #89

Definitly what is ocurring, life will be a rental from the 1%. But what really gets to RKP5637 May 2014 #52

When you control the media you control the perception of the people. zeemike May 2014 #60

IMO democrats are horrible when it comes to communication and the media, and control of the media RKP5637 May 2014 #61

Well IMO zeemike May 2014 #63

Exactly!!! Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #66

Exactly. (n/t) villager May 2014 #102

^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^ truebrit71 May 2014 #96

You are correct. Enthusiast May 2014 #136

could not agree more! mountain grammy Apr 2014 #35

+1,000,000: "Tax the damned 1%!!!" Auggie May 2014 #77

Agree Bobbie Jo May 2014 #92

God I wish I could upvote this! n/t betterdemsonly May 2014 #95

Yup. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #128

and cut the military budget... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #130

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2014 #135

Ain't freedom great? me b zola Apr 2014 #3

USA! USA! USA! SammyWinstonJack May 2014 #116

Ike would vomit. Faryn Balyncd Apr 2014 #4

And the general public picks up the tab for the 1%'s ultra-low taxes again. /nt Marr Apr 2014 #5

And loses substantial basic mobility in the process, based on ability to pay. nt pinboy3niner Apr 2014 #6

It gets better... dixiegrrrrl Apr 2014 #29

I literally don't know anywhere on earth that doesn't contract out toll collection Recursion May 2014 #47

You are saying you-literally- know every toll system on the planet dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #82

No, I said I didn't know of any that don't Recursion May 2014 #83

+1 Blue_Tires May 2014 #105

Bump...nt Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #7

Hey, I know - let's fart off any job creation and tax our way to prosperity!! n/t Beartracks Apr 2014 #9

and tax from a declining number of employed people, at that. dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #139

Is it Constitutional to base Freedom of Movement on ability to pay on Federally funded highways? DJ13 Apr 2014 #10

They'll just claim movement isn't restricted, JoeyT Apr 2014 #34

Yep... We're The Neo-Republicans Now... WillyT Apr 2014 #11

Awaiting with bated breath the coming avalanche of rationalizations n/t markpkessinger Apr 2014 #12

Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #13

Sounds like another way to track people's movements, more than anything. LeftyMom Apr 2014 #14

That was my first thought. NBachers Apr 2014 #28

+1 They will be used as Homeland Security checkpoints. woo me with science Apr 2014 #31

talk about woo- tolls are going to be used to track us AND as HS checkpoints. LOL KittyWampus May 2014 #58

Don't forget the reassuring map. woo me with science May 2014 #62

We have more than our fair share of prophets wearing sandwich boards... LanternWaste May 2014 #109

Yeah! That'll mean jobs for the Bundy crowd! KansDem May 2014 #103

Exactly! LAGC May 2014 #44

Yep. dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #90

They already did remove the toll collectors on the Golden Gate. LeftyMom May 2014 #91

WTF? Why are Democrats now against this? It's a way to make driving more expensive Recursion Apr 2014 #16

You mean a way to make EVERYTHING more expensive, right? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2014 #17

A carbon tax has been the holy grail of liberal revenue policy for a generation now Recursion Apr 2014 #18

A carbon tax on the big corporations is not the same as a tax on the lower classes. The Republicans rhett o rick Apr 2014 #23

Of course it is. Making people pay for road/carbon use is a VAT, pure and simple Recursion Apr 2014 #26

This is like the sales tax. It hurts the lower classes. But the conservatives among us rhett o rick Apr 2014 #27

You should change your avatar: Warren supports a carbon tax, too Recursion May 2014 #38

Unlike some here, I dont worship candidates. Besides charging the poor to drive rhett o rick May 2014 #76

Mass Pike not a State or Fed Funded road 4Q2u2 May 2014 #108

Thank you for the link newblewtoo May 2014 #112

It's a sensible thing to do, really. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2014 #37

This tax will hurt the poor the most. But I guess that's the idea, right? nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #21

Just to be clear: the carbon tax advocated by Howard Dean and Al Gore is now a bad idea? Recursion Apr 2014 #24

But you support this tax on the lower classes. Isnt that your point here? nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #25

Any VAT hits the poor and middle class Recursion Apr 2014 #36

Are you supporting this tax on the lower classes vs. taxing the wealthy? nm rhett o rick May 2014 #72

I'd like to do both Recursion May 2014 #73

We live in a society where the poor and seniors have to drive. They have no choices. rhett o rick May 2014 #75

Hey, it's all good as long as we win. Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #48

Seems so. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #74

The poor do the most highway miles? jberryhill May 2014 #106

The 99% would be taxed the most. The poor would be hurt the hardest rhett o rick May 2014 #125

I don't know what you means by "would be" jberryhill May 2014 #129

The price of food will rise if states are allowed to toll interstate traffic. Big time. Ikonoklast May 2014 #132

. Skip Intro Apr 2014 #19

thanks obama nt msongs Apr 2014 #20

WTF is this shit? blackspade Apr 2014 #22

The country is being deliberately transformed into something else woo me with science May 2014 #40

Err... that's what this is Recursion May 2014 #45

No it is not. blackspade May 2014 #53

So, what is your imaginary "gas tax" that doesn't land heavily on the poor? Recursion May 2014 #55

Regressive taxes always land heavily on the poor. blackspade May 2014 #98

So how do you get that passed in this Congress? MohRokTah May 2014 #56

It's already passed. blackspade May 2014 #99

There's calls to increase the gas tax. MohRokTah May 2014 #101

Another ''don't look backwards'' policy initiative, eh? DeSwiss Apr 2014 #30

And surely we'll borrow some money from some megabank in exchange for a contract for the rights Ed Suspicious Apr 2014 #32

"We don't want the rif-raff whose jobs we've shipped abroad to drive their hoopties... ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #39

And so it goes Ichingcarpenter May 2014 #43

Let the coronation begin. defacto7 May 2014 #46

Welcome to my world. MadrasT May 2014 #50

Ouch! dixiegrrrrl May 2014 #87

Does that mean that we will not have to pay gas taxes anymore? liberal N proud May 2014 #51

it would be a disaster here (fl). take cars off i-95 and the minor roads ellenfl May 2014 #54

Trillions spent 8000 miles away nationalize the fed May 2014 #59

Roads,Bridges, Schools and Hosptials in Iraq & Afghanistan that got blown up... KoKo May 2014 #78

This allows the states to fix road. It is another way around the obstructionists in congress. They jwirr May 2014 #64

A really bad, regressive way to fund road maintanance. bobduca May 2014 #71

Collapsing bridges affect lower income workers, too. randome May 2014 #86

Yes, I agree but I can also see that it is either let the states use this method or nothing because jwirr May 2014 #107

The flaw with the "you already paid for them" argument is that they have yearly maintance karynnj May 2014 #65

Come on... I buy a house and I don't have to whistler162 May 2014 #131

Always looking out for the common US citizen. L0oniX May 2014 #67

Jesus. AzDar May 2014 #69

Change whatchamacallit May 2014 #79

Sounds a little dangerous ecstatic May 2014 #81

This is unusual to me... wercal May 2014 #84

Will the charges be progressive? i.e. $1 for the poor $100 for the rich? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #88

I believe you have that precisely backwards...now do pass me the Grey Poupon would you? truebrit71 May 2014 #97

This is one of many reasons I have had it with neoliberal dems? betterdemsonly May 2014 #94

From the looks of it the Whitehouse really wants to lose 2014. Xyzse May 2014 #113

It looks that way to me. It's both puzzling and infuriating. n/t Laelth May 2014 #115

Then again, I guess I felt the same way around 2010. Xyzse May 2014 #117

My home state of Georgia is on the verge of turning blue. Laelth May 2014 #119

I live in MD, help in VA... Xyzse May 2014 #122

Obama spoke of his desire for "public private partnerships" in his second term. pa28 May 2014 #120

Less Hope And Change - More Begger My Neighbor cantbeserious May 2014 #126

Obama turning into a libertarian? B Calm May 2014 #137