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23. Odd thing about our criminal system

Thu May 1, 2014, 02:31 PM

May 2014

Our criminal system seems to be primarily geared toward protecting people against the power of the state.

An accused criminal gets, among other things:

- public, speedy trial
- trial by jury
- trial in the jurisdiction where the offense happened
- a lawyer
- compulsory process for evidence and witnesses
- right to confront accusers
- protection from cruel or unusual punishment

Even in that off-the-cuff recitation of the basics, there does not seem to be single word anywhere in the Constitution about the victims getting any kind of retribution or restitution.

Why do you suppose that is?

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following the botched execution -- what should be the way to execute some one? [View all] srican69 May 2014 OP

Force them to get old jberryhill May 2014 #1

This ^^^^ Coventina May 2014 #3

+1 madokie May 2014 #5

yup.... mike_c May 2014 #8

Yep. Execution via old age. (nt) jeff47 May 2014 #19

Death by old age. Half-Century Man May 2014 #2

Having to live with your crime(s) for the rest of their lives Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #18

DON'T DO IT. nt s-cubed May 2014 #4

I don't believe in capital punishment, but this attempt to "medicalize" it is even worse Recursion May 2014 #6

Actually, alcohol helps (a bit) with visualization/getting the vein to stand up hlthe2b May 2014 #26

Firing squad Politicalboi May 2014 #7

Unfortunately Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #11

I don't know, but I have NO sympathy Politicalboi May 2014 #24

No, but I have sympthy for ALL OF US--who are made unwilling, yet responsible for such barbaric hlthe2b May 2014 #36

I have mixed feelings on the DP Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #70

Given we have executed innocent people... nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #79

It's not that I have any exceptional sympathy. It's that I believe we as a society must prove that politicat May 2014 #83

Beheading, cheaper and quicker MillennialDem May 2014 #69

Well if you must have a death penalty hootinholler May 2014 #9

Like they gave their victims? Politicalboi May 2014 #12

Odd thing about our criminal system jberryhill May 2014 #23

Well maybe we need one Politicalboi May 2014 #27

Oh baloney jberryhill May 2014 #28

Indeed. One need only study the Revolutionary War to appreciate the amount of depravity hlthe2b May 2014 #40

And interestingly enough jberryhill May 2014 #52

Oh bullshit. Iggo May 2014 #42

I disagree hootinholler May 2014 #67

And what if the families demand it be commuted to life nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #97

I agree ... wonder if some states already give that option to them srican69 May 2014 #13

Reminds me of a scene from a certain Monty Python movie.......... Proud Liberal Dem May 2014 #16

I'll take safeinOhio May 2014 #72

Ok, I LOL'd n/t hootinholler May 2014 #75

Make the condemned watch the 2008 rethug primary debates 24/7 lpbk2713 May 2014 #10

LOL! Politicalboi May 2014 #14

No death penalty kcr May 2014 #15

NRA big game preserve? moondust May 2014 #17

I love that Idea.. srican69 May 2014 #20

hanging's optimal, as long as you have a responsible hangman 0rganism May 2014 #21

I'm a death penalty abolitionist swamping this thread alcibiades_mystery May 2014 #22

Headsman, hanging, bullet behind the ear. PeteSelman May 2014 #25

The Royal Navy used shooting out of a muzzle loading cannon Kaleva May 2014 #29

Tie them to a chair and force them to watch Fox news 24 hours a day until they beg you to shoot them tularetom May 2014 #30

YOU are so very wrong about that. The clock tower near the gold souks in Riyadh is the traditional hlthe2b May 2014 #50

I must have been misinformed about Saudi Arabia tularetom May 2014 #64

No to all forms of revenge justice /nt Bragi May 2014 #31

As the White House said, it should be done humanely. Dr. Strange May 2014 #32

Question: What are the criteria to follow, srican69? Bragi May 2014 #33

combination of quickest/least painful/ no mess srican69 May 2014 #38

Wile E. Coyote style... Open_n_Shut May 2014 #34

Yeah, but half of that shit he bought from ACME didn't work as advertised. riqster May 2014 #48

Gravity was not always constant in the world of Looney Tunes Open_n_Shut May 2014 #59

A fair point. I once had a physics teacher who used that universe in an extra-credit exam problem. riqster May 2014 #73

Firing Squad. MicaelS May 2014 #35

Quickest way to getting rid of it actually nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #56

I agree with you on almost every point. MicaelS May 2014 #61

I want no hood for those carrying them either nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #66

So you really think exposing the identities of the executioners is going the shame them? MicaelS May 2014 #77

It is not about shaming the executioners nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #78

Disagree on the caliber jmowreader May 2014 #87

No, the .44 Magnum is too powerful. MicaelS May 2014 #91

I would put them to death in the same way they committed the murder.. Upton May 2014 #37

I like the victim or family choice myself ..... oldhippie May 2014 #39

The guillotine LittleBlue May 2014 #41

This would be my suggestion as well. giftedgirl77 May 2014 #49

No fucking death penalty....ever. Iggo May 2014 #43

we euthanize pets every day painlessly and quickly TorchTheWitch May 2014 #44

i'm not pro DP, but if you were going to do it, how the fuck can it be hard? it doesn't take a Dr to dionysus May 2014 #45

The best and only way seveneyes May 2014 #46

I like what Japan does 951-Riverside May 2014 #47

Don't, and it has to do with the number of people wrongly convicted nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #51

I prefer life at the hardest labor they can physically perform. No parole. Worse than death. riqster May 2014 #53

1-6 leave. nt msanthrope May 2014 #109

Thanks, I didn't know it had been alerted on. riqster May 2014 #114

Well, in theory Prophet 451 May 2014 #54

They didn't even validate or test the drugs used. Unforgivable lostincalifornia May 2014 #55

Captive bolt pistol. backscatter712 May 2014 #57

Crucifiction. It was good enough for Jesus, right? hunter May 2014 #58

Captive bolt to the lower skull. Seriously. Xithras May 2014 #60

Shark tank wickerwoman May 2014 #62

With fricken lasers on their fricken heads! hootinholler May 2014 #68

Carbon dioxide FarCenter May 2014 #63

How about a Primacord collar, like they used in The Running Man? jmowreader May 2014 #89

I think a shaped charge of a plastic would be much better FarCenter May 2014 #92

Makes you wonder how most of the rest of the first world countries SheilaT May 2014 #65

I was surprised to learn that Japan still had it. MADem May 2014 #107

I am against the DP, but if we're going to do it - beheading. Nothing is quicker or MillennialDem May 2014 #71

"Assuming we have to have it"? Then as cheaply and efficiently as possible, of course. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #74

Hypoxia Xipe Totec May 2014 #76

None of the above..... physioex May 2014 #80

Shotgun to the back of the head. jschurchin May 2014 #81

Reminds me of watching Conpiracy, movie about the Wannsee Conference. Lars39 May 2014 #82

CAPITAL PUNISHMENT MUST, AND WILL, BE ABOLISHED! morningfog May 2014 #84

If it's absolutely necessary... politicat May 2014 #85

And where are you going to find someone to do that? physioex May 2014 #86

exactly. politicat May 2014 #98

The nastiest method allowed by the Constitution, for good reason jmowreader May 2014 #88

Yup, and that televised, in the middle of the day nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #96

No. Random selection jmowreader May 2014 #100

I think our death penalty phase rate would go down to zero nadinbrzezinski May 2014 #101

Firing squad or guillotine. and explosion that turned the condemned a mist in a fraction of a secon arely staircase May 2014 #90

Exploding helmet Tom Ripley May 2014 #93

This thread should be swamped by capital punishment abolitionists. JackRiddler May 2014 #94

Medically induced coma. Lancero May 2014 #95

Hung by the neck until dead. Adam-Bomb May 2014 #99

I want to choose, oldandhappy May 2014 #102

I favor letting them do it themselves. bravenak May 2014 #103

Wood chipper. edbermac May 2014 #104

Guillotine !! Historic NY May 2014 #105

make them live. spanone May 2014 #106

Inert gas asphyxiation Hippo_Tron May 2014 #108

Guillotine Capt. Obvious May 2014 #110

*If* there must be a death penalty Madam Mossfern May 2014 #111

life in a cell DrDan May 2014 #112

I'm always curious when I see someone say the DP should be used sparingly. JoeyT May 2014 #113

I oppose capital punishment, but if it must happen... Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #115

Yeah, I figured this thread would go into the toilet pretty quickly. Paladin May 2014 #116

Old age... sarisataka May 2014 #117