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86. Tweedledee and Tweedledum -- right, like Al Gore and George Bush.

Thu May 1, 2014, 07:24 PM

May 2014

No difference between those two -- that's what Nader insisted in 2000.

Despite what you say, he does see Rand Paul as the potential leader of a libertarian/progressive coalition. But he's also promoting billionaire hedge fund founders and leveraged buyout firm founders. His progressive mask has fallen off completely.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/02/24/oprah-for-president-nader-seeks-modestly-enlightened-billionaire-to-run/

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/power-players-abc-news/ralph-naders-america-impeach-obama-decriminalize-drugs-libertarians-progressives-unite-110418813.html

But Nader qualified that the success of his envisioned left-right alliance is dependent on strong leaders. He said Sen. Rand Paul, son of Ron Paul, has the potential to be a leader for the alliance, but added that he thinks the Kentucky Republican has certain shortcomings as a leader.

“He’s a mixed bag, you know, he's evolving. He's broadening his issues that he's talking about and they’re beginning to resonate,” Nader said. “On the other hand … he has problems dealing with people.”

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Nader wants the most Progressive on the left, who barely tolerate Democrats, to join Libertarians? [View all] stevenleser May 2014 OP

Nader needs to retire his mouth. nt onehandle May 2014 #1

I'm really surprised at this one. Libertarians are corporatists pure and simple. You would think stevenleser May 2014 #2

100% right on! Libertarians are corporatists, and Ralph Nadar is a shadow of his former self. DrewFlorida May 2014 #102

It is inaccurate to call Nader a libertarian BlueStreak May 2014 #3

I never called him a libertarian. nt stevenleser May 2014 #13

He advocates many things that are in the libertarian sphere NobodyHere May 2014 #60

And yet the irony is he's suggesting that Libertarians should join together with progressives pnwmom May 2014 #70

He isn't promoting Rand Paul BlueStreak May 2014 #85

Tweedledee and Tweedledum -- right, like Al Gore and George Bush. pnwmom May 2014 #86

There are stylistic differences between individuals, and a few substantive differences BlueStreak May 2014 #87

Fuck Ralph Nader Major Nikon May 2014 #4

Spoken llike a man pscot May 2014 #9

Even if I had I don't put much stock in anecdotal evidence Major Nikon May 2014 #25

I owned one pscot May 2014 #64

Nader made none of those claims Major Nikon May 2014 #75

Yes. He was. And I'm as grateful as you are for that. aquart May 2014 #77

It's true that he's a bit mad now pscot May 2014 #80

Best post on this I have seen, by DUer DirkGently. woo me with science May 2014 #5

"There's no danger in finding points of agreement. ProSense May 2014 #6

But an alliance with Billy Tauzin pscot May 2014 #10

WTH are you talking about? ProSense May 2014 #22

Pearls before swine.. pscot May 2014 #12

I largely agree with this ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #14

Nader is proposing a broad Libertarian-Progressive coalition stevenleser May 2014 #17

What can we Democrats do to reign in Corporations and Wall Street to thwart the libertarians? KoKo May 2014 #31

The two things I would recommend would be stevenleser May 2014 #48

Capital gains and dividend tax. Lasher May 2014 #90

I agree and usually lump them together. stevenleser May 2014 #91

I figured you were using shorthand, nothing wrong with that. Lasher May 2014 #92

Nader has another brilliant solution to that: get a billionaire to run. pnwmom May 2014 #71

I think you miss the point of his thesis BlueStreak May 2014 #56

No, I didn't. I know where the potential areas for agreement are. stevenleser May 2014 #57

"They" is a big word BlueStreak May 2014 #84

I've seen zero indication that Progressives are interested. winter is coming May 2014 #97

See #'s 104 and 106 below. Clearly some progressives are giving it serious thought. nt stevenleser May 2014 #110

Neither of those posts indicate that a progressive is thinking of voting for Paul, winter is coming May 2014 #114

What Mr Gently doesn't address Ratty May 2014 #53

And thats the few areas where there is seemingly some agreement between the philosophies stevenleser May 2014 #111

It is all about keeping us divided. zeemike May 2014 #55

+1000000 You nailed it. woo me with science May 2014 #67

Beautifully stated. That should be its own OP. n/t winter is coming May 2014 #118

Great response ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #7

What did I miss? Where is this supposition coming from? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #8

Nader said all that and more in an interview concerning a book he has coming out stevenleser May 2014 #11

Thanks for the link. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #16

It's been the big topic on DU for the last 48 hours so I thought everyone had seen it. stevenleser May 2014 #19

Heh, I've been under a rock, I guess. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #21

I put a video up of Nader on Democracy Now where he explains it. stevenleser May 2014 #27

Doesn't sound like he actually even understands what a libertarian is. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #30

I saw things like this from some Progressives when the Tea Party started in 2009 and also in 2007 stevenleser May 2014 #37

Oh I wouldn't agree to voting for any CANDIDATE. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #38

Well, as ProSense notes upthread, that happens now. stevenleser May 2014 #42

The danger is ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #20

Correct. Libertarians would have Tea Party support and the support of Large corporate donors. stevenleser May 2014 #24

And, or should I say, BUT ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #41

I agree 100%, see my #45 below regarding Bernie Sanders. stevenleser May 2014 #46

It's a stupid straw man Doctor_J May 2014 #50

No straw man or other logical fallacy involved. This is what Nader is pushing. nt stevenleser May 2014 #51

Nader wants attention and you're giving it to him. hobbit709 May 2014 #15

My not composing an OP will not prevent it from being discussed. stevenleser May 2014 #18

every time Nader gets involved demigoddess May 2014 #23

Pretty hard to argue with that. stevenleser May 2014 #32

Well, if what you say is true Capt. Obvious May 2014 #26

In that twilight neverland where the anarcho-syndicalists meet Ayn Rand? FarCenter May 2014 #28

Except, calling Libertarians distrustful of corporations is stretching it, I think. stevenleser May 2014 #29

At least part of the libertarians want to abolish limited liability FarCenter May 2014 #33

Interesting. Do you have a link? I would like to see that. nt stevenleser May 2014 #43

Big government and big business are symbionts FarCenter May 2014 #54

For the past 30 years, Ralph Nader has been a NEGATIVE force in American politics scheming daemons May 2014 #34

.... 2banon May 2014 #39

Thanks for the video... n/t 2banon May 2014 #35

I think he's trying to shake the trees and liven up the debate to get people KoKo May 2014 #36

While I may agree with the Libertarian view on the NSA, I can't stomach octoberlib May 2014 #40

And once it's talked through, I think that is where Progressives come down on this issue stevenleser May 2014 #45

There are no liberals who take this seriously whatchamacallit May 2014 #44

yep frylock May 2014 #68

I find the Libertarian ideology revolting and horrifying YoungDemCA May 2014 #47

I voted for Nader back in 2000... he was cool back then but now he is simply pathetic. DCBob May 2014 #49

Sorry, but he wasn't really cool then either. nt Walk away May 2014 #52

I was going to make a snarky comment about dementia... Jeff In Milwaukee May 2014 #58

My understanding is that Nader believes it is already too late for anything else. salib May 2014 #59

A couple of points in response stevenleser May 2014 #61

When will he be starting NaderUnderground? JoePhilly May 2014 #62

I eagerly await his next book, proposing an alliance between the NAACP and the KKK (nt) jeff47 May 2014 #63

And to make that even worse, JoeyT May 2014 #65

On Monday, Nader was on "Democracy Now!" talking about how trade agreements reduce sovereignty Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #66

Ralph, I've always been a fan of yours... Blue_Tires May 2014 #69

Fuck the libertarians mwrguy May 2014 #72

I doubt this will go anywhere, for reasons. Starry Messenger May 2014 #73

Political libertarians do not understand the fundamentals of running the government. Rex May 2014 #74

Nader is the ass who thinks the parties are identical. aquart May 2014 #76

Nader Can Kiss My Ass. n/t fredamae May 2014 #78

Nader just wants to sell books. herding cats May 2014 #79

Fuck Nader. Iggo May 2014 #81

One thing most Democrats share with this far left liberal? Generic Other May 2014 #82

marijuana reform needs to continue to mainstream. joining a coalition with code pink, nader arely staircase May 2014 #83

Fuck Nader...nt SidDithers May 2014 #88

maybe Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #89

What bullshit LondonReign2 May 2014 #93

Not it's not and no I'm not. One only has to read firedoglake or stevenleser May 2014 #95

Your entire attempt LondonReign2 May 2014 #96

That is your strawman. I did no such thing. nt stevenleser May 2014 #98

Its too bad you don't know what a strawman is LondonReign2 May 2014 #99

I know exactly what a strawman and the other logical fallacies are. You changed my argument stevenleser May 2014 #100

Nope. I took issue with your bullshit framing LondonReign2 May 2014 #120

Little Ralfie Rumplesuit Wolf Frankula May 2014 #94

I have completely lost patience with that whackadoodle, fabricating scold. MADem May 2014 #101

If he advocated for progressives who barely tolerate Democrats to join the Greens, he would Zorra May 2014 #103

As much as I would hate it, at least it wouldn't be completely illogical from an ideology stevenleser May 2014 #105

Agreed. Zorra May 2014 #115

That's the problem with The Left Right Template Armstead May 2014 #104

+10000 It's a tactic of division by corporatists woo me with science May 2014 #106

See my #108 below. The Libertarians are the ULTIMATE corporatists. nt stevenleser May 2014 #109

LOL. Exhibit A, and way to miss the point deliberately. nt woo me with science May 2014 #112

Yes, you did miss the point, and you are an example of whom Nader is targeting. nt stevenleser May 2014 #113

Just about everyone can find a couple of areas of agreement. That is not the point. stevenleser May 2014 #108

You're labeling again Armstead May 2014 #116

You would have a point if that was not how people self-identify. Moreover... stevenleser May 2014 #117

Not distraction -- Its the point Armstead May 2014 #119

Nader must be senile. Zen Democrat May 2014 #107