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Divernan

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87. My 1st "clue" is based on experience with Nam vets (who only had 1 tour of duty)
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:59 AM
May 2014

Another "clue" is based on working with first responders and law enforcement personnel and seeing the extreme stress levels with which they must deal. Another "clue" is the definition of PTSD, which is that it is a "debilitating" mental disorder. Another clue is that I was a post-grad National Institute of Mental Health Fellow for three years and am familiar with the diagnostic criteria (referenced below) for this condition. Put all those together, and I very reasonably conclude that anyone who has been medically diagnosed with PTSD should not be working in an armed capacity.

So no, I don't owe vets with PTSD an apology for positing that they should not be employed in an armed capacity. In fact, to the extent that they have in fact been medically diagnosed with this disorder, carrying weapons and being involved in any use of said weapons would only exacerbate their PTSD. The US govt. and MIC, on the other hand, owe all our vets an apology for involving them in every needless war, i.e, every war following WW Two.

Here's the latest fact sheet on PTSD from the DSM - V:
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/PTSD%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf


Posttraumatic Stress Disorder

Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) will be included in a new chapter in DSM-5 on Trauma- and Stressor-Related Disorders. This move from DSM-IV, which addressed PTSD as an anxiety disorder, is among several changes approved for this condition that is increasingly at the center of public as well as professional discussion. The diagnostic criteria for the manual’s next edition identify the trigger to PTSD as exposure to actual or threatened death, serious injury or sexual violation. The exposure must result from one or more of the following scenarios, in which the individual:

directly experiences the traumatic event;

witnesses the traumatic event in person;

learns that the traumatic event occurred to a close family member or close friend (with the actual or threatened death being either violent or accidental); or

experiences first-hand repeated or extreme exposure to aversive details of the traumatic event (not through media, pictures, television or movies unless work-related).

The disturbance, regardless of its trigger, causes clinically significant distress or impairment in the individual’s social interactions, capacity to work or other important areas of functioning. It is not the physiological result of another medical condition, medication, drugs or alcohol.
Changes in PTSD Criteria
Compared to DSM-IV, the diagnostic criteria for DSM-5 draw a clearer line when detailing what constitutes a traumatic event. Sexual assault is specifically included, for example, as is a recurring exposure that could apply to police officers or first responders. Language stipulating an individual’s response to the event—intense fear, helplessness or horror, according to DSM-IV—has been deleted because that criterion proved to have no utility in predicting the onset of PTSD. DSM-5 pays more attention to the behavioral symptoms that accompany PTSD and proposes four distinct diagnostic clusters instead of three. They are described as re-experiencing, avoidance, negative cognitions and mood, and arousal.

Re-experiencing covers spontaneous memories of the traumatic event, recurrent dreams related to it, flashbacks or other intense or prolonged psychological distress. Avoidance refers to distressing memories, thoughts, feelings or external reminders of the event. Negative cognitions and mood represents myriad feelings, from a persistent and distorted sense of
blame of self or others, to estrangement from others or markedly diminished interest in activities, to an inability to remember key aspects of the event. Finally, arousal is marked by aggressive, reckless or self-destructive behavior, sleep disturbances, hyper-
vigilance or related problems. The current manual emphasizes the “flight” aspect associated with PTSD; the criteria of DSM-5 also account for the “fight” reaction often seen.
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Posttraumatic Stress Disorder
The number of symptoms that must be identified depends on the cluster. DSM-5 would only require that a disturbance continue for more than a month and would eliminate the distinction between acute and chronic phases of PTSD.
PTSD Preschool Subtype and PTSD Dissociative Subtype
DSM-5 will include the addition of two subtypes: PTSD in children younger than 6 years and PTSD with prominent dissociative symptoms (either experiences of feeling detached from one’s own mind or body, or experiences in which the world seems unreal, dreamlike or distorted).

PTSD Debate within the Military
Certain military leaders, both active and retired, believe the word “disorder” makes many soldiers who are experiencing PTSD symptoms reluctant to ask for help. They have urged a change to rename the disorder posttraumatic stress injury, a description that they say is more in line with the language of troops and would reduce stigma.
But others believe it is the military environment that needs to change, not the name of the disorder, so that mental health care is more accessible and soldiers are encouraged to seek it in a timely fashion. Some attendees at the 2012 APA Annual Meeting, where this was discussed in a session, also questioned whether injury is too imprecise a word for a medical diagnosis.

In DSM-5, PTSD will continue to be identified as a disorder.
DSM is the manual used by clinicians and researchers to diagnose and classify mental disorders. The American Psychiatric Association (APA) will publish DSM-5 in 2013, culminating a 14-year revision process. For more information, go to www.DSM5.org.
APA is a national medical specialty society whose more than 36,000 physician members specialize in the diagnosis, treatment, prevention and research of mental illnesses, including substance use disorders. Visit the APA at www.psychiatry.org
and
www.healthyminds.org
. For more information, please contact Eve Herold at 703-907-8640 or
press@psych.org
.
© 2013 American Psychiatric Association

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Beat the fuck out of them first ...ask questions later. L0oniX May 2014 #1
Cops with a vengeance in mind looking for a hit. n/t RKP5637 May 2014 #2
And claimed he didn't know the boy had Down Syndrome. pnwmom May 2014 #60
I have a feeling it went down a little differently than the cops said Warpy May 2014 #85
I think we all know who the real colostomy bag is in this story Blue Owl May 2014 #3
No, he's not the bag. Aristus May 2014 #9
Skin's the bag. Lancero May 2014 #14
Every day the cops abuse innocent Americans. nt ladjf May 2014 #4
Weren't we all supposed to spend our time being scared of Teh Terrorists? hatrack May 2014 #5
Cops Jesus Malverde May 2014 #6
I assume Stryst May 2014 #40
Preferential hiring of vets with PTSD is a guarantee of disaster Divernan May 2014 #72
Also explains the 80 s phenomena known as going postal. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #73
You Couldn't Be More Wrong The River May 2014 #86
My 1st "clue" is based on experience with Nam vets (who only had 1 tour of duty) Divernan May 2014 #87
If You Aren't a Vet with PTSD The River May 2014 #98
You are a perfect example of why "mental health professionals" are not to be trusted. MindPilot May 2014 #100
I doubt there is a "preferential hiring of vets with PTSD". I believe it's simply whathehell May 2014 #92
Many, especially small town, police depts. not equipped to efficiently screen. Divernan May 2014 #95
High fives all around down at the cop bar. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #7
Not safe from terrorists half a block from home. Downwinder May 2014 #8
^^This exactly. Who are the real terrorists? txwhitedove May 2014 #75
Living while black is a death sentence malaise May 2014 #10
+1 lunasun May 2014 #26
that is one stupid cop demigoddess May 2014 #11
I don't care who you are, when an officer gives you a command, you obey 951-Riverside May 2014 #12
And if that command is to jump off the bridge, you would.....? Tribalceltic May 2014 #21
Um, way to miss the point... truebluegreen May 2014 #22
There is a huge amount of sarcasm in that post. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #23
WhOOSH!!!! nt msanthrope May 2014 #24
Of course they would not command one to jump off a bridge... yawnmaster May 2014 #33
You wouldn't have to wait for a command. FreedRadical May 2014 #37
I believe you missed something here . . . Brigid May 2014 #71
Satire. WinkyDink May 2014 #81
So, what you're saying is onecaliberal May 2014 #39
You're taking for granted what the police do for us every day of the year penultimate May 2014 #44
Basically, some people have an intrinsic trust of he LEO... I don't .. the LEOs in an area have to uponit7771 May 2014 #62
Do you need a primer on "Developmental Delays" Ilsa May 2014 #43
No, actually I do not onecaliberal May 2014 #54
That comment was not directed at you, but to Ilsa May 2014 #59
Sorry about that. onecaliberal May 2014 #65
Riverside was being blatantly sarcastic. nt tblue37 May 2014 #68
I don't know this poster. And given the fact that Ilsa May 2014 #69
One of the most bizarro sub-threads I've seen around these parts in some time. Hassin Bin Sober May 2014 #97
There are different levels pipi_k May 2014 #57
Yes, they should be taught NOT to trust local LEOs and view them as threats and not there to help uponit7771 May 2014 #63
They acknowledged that the boy couldn't understand their commands. pnwmom May 2014 #61
... that wasn't doing a damn thing. Every guy with a "bulge" in their pants might as well just don't uponit7771 May 2014 #64
fuck tha police frylock May 2014 #13
Surprising how often that reply fits, isn't it? FiveGoodMen May 2014 #53
i'm getting tired of typing it quite frankly frylock May 2014 #56
Happened in 2011. Officer had quite a history Blue Diadem May 2014 #15
jezus effing christ. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #29
It's time for all good citizens to demand Ilsa May 2014 #45
And So It Goes . . . cer7711 May 2014 #16
The pigs responsible should be fired immediately and prosecuted MynameisBlarney May 2014 #17
2011 story Android3.14 May 2014 #18
There will be an Internal Affairs Review lpbk2713 May 2014 #19
WAY TO GO, BARNEY FIFE. eShirl May 2014 #20
And who's hiring them? Serious deficiencies in judgment here. gtar100 May 2014 #82
Here's link from a real news site about this three year old story Bonx May 2014 #25
ABC video lunasun May 2014 #30
You really believe that was done with an open hand? Savannahmann May 2014 #48
Not sure what you're going on about Bonx May 2014 #50
Thug with a badge. Too many of them and police commanders don't care. nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2014 #27
Sue. Sue. Sue. Gilberto and his mom can live in a pricey gated community, where MADem May 2014 #28
Sickening .. Stuart G May 2014 #31
Police brutality is alive and well Rider3 May 2014 #32
well the only things they undetatand is the loss of money weissmam May 2014 #34
They're trained? We're suppose to believe the cops are trained..let them prove it and sue them. Jefferson23 May 2014 #35
Oh, what a surprise... Inkfreak May 2014 #36
What in the onecaliberal May 2014 #38
that is wrong heaven05 May 2014 #41
I'm not going to shed too many tears when people start shooting these sadistic assholes. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #42
I wonder about that. KansDem May 2014 #67
I had that same thought in the thread about the cop abusing his K-9. MindPilot May 2014 #101
Police are not your friends! Harmony Blue May 2014 #46
You are 100% correct onecaliberal May 2014 #55
My son has Asperger's Syndrome and I have liberalhistorian May 2014 #74
I have a hearing loss & I always state that up front in dealing with security/cops. Divernan May 2014 #88
That would give the police onecaliberal May 2014 #96
We really need to do something with our police forces to attract less hot headed morons penultimate May 2014 #47
Superior intellect is not wanted in police work. lpbk2713 May 2014 #49
It's like I say, back when TV shows looked like this... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #52
I agree, actually... pipi_k May 2014 #58
Immaturity damnedifIknow May 2014 #51
Another disgrace to America and to any selfrespecting police force. It appears that there were more jwirr May 2014 #66
This is what happens imthevicar May 2014 #70
Yeah cops. . .badge sniffers, please defend this. It's not all of them, only the bad ones Nanjing to Seoul May 2014 #76
So what part of walking down the street with a bulge in your pants is illegal and DebJ May 2014 #77
Serve and protect. Right. nt valerief May 2014 #78
Sick! As a disabled woman with MS who wobbles a little when walking... Jasana May 2014 #79
and if he wasnt down syndrome? was the beating necessary? Liberal_in_LA May 2014 #80
At least grandpamike1 May 2014 #83
Not trying to cause any trouble here, but this was news from September 2011. Sarah Ibarruri May 2014 #84
This is horrible! tofuandbeer May 2014 #89
This type behavior is becoming more common... bobGandolf May 2014 #90
As long as we as a culture The Wizard May 2014 #91
It is graduation time soon. dotymed May 2014 #93
We wait for the kkk or skinheads to do this kind of behavior so only then we can claimed Javaman May 2014 #94
Fear the police obxhead May 2014 #99
Fucking cops..stupid asses. SummerSnow May 2014 #102
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