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69. You can dispute the numbers but you have to admit that...

Fri May 2, 2014, 08:12 AM

May 2014

...at least a sizeable number of DUers don't see that Snowden's 'revelations' have amounted to much.

It isn't necessary to bang our heads against a wall to contradict one another. Reasonable minds should be able to see there is more than one valid point of view.

For most of us, the metadata 'issue' has been known since 2007. For most of us, NSA spying on other countries is a non-issue.

But look at the responses in this thread. Is this indicative of 'reasonable minds'? Calling everyone who disagrees with the idea of Snowden as a hero is a 'RW troll' or an 'authoritarian'.

Snowden keeps putting himself front and center and too many on DU want to see him as a hero. So of course the 'debate' ends up being about him when reasonable minds disagree on the 'evidence'.
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regarding Edward Snowden, the point is being missed I suspect... [View all] Soylent Brice May 2014 OP

92% of DU gets it MannyGoldstein May 2014 #1

woah... lol Soylent Brice May 2014 #4

24/7 MannyGoldstein May 2014 #5

gawd, that sounds awful. Soylent Brice May 2014 #9

It *is* a B horror movie MannyGoldstein May 2014 #10

I just laughed so loud Soylent Brice May 2014 #23

Oh great. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #131

Oh Noooos!!@!! sheshe2 May 2014 #28

Most people have them on ignore! Lol! sabrina 1 May 2014 #31

Well good for them! LoL! sheshe2 May 2014 #35

They have a safe harbor to be obnoxious bobduca May 2014 #105

Holy Shit! OilemFirchen May 2014 #11

A push poll? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #12

"Glad" vs. "Sad"? OilemFirchen May 2014 #14

And? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #15

That should become your moniker. OilemFirchen May 2014 #16

"I might suck, but I suck in an unbiased way" MannyGoldstein May 2014 #18

You crack me up Manny! sheshe2 May 2014 #29

Lol! sabrina 1 May 2014 #32

Back at ya! sheshe2 May 2014 #33

Lol! And back at YA! sabrina 1 May 2014 #38

We? sheshe2 May 2014 #45

over at the Cave. MannyGoldstein May 2014 #132

If you are referring to The Third Way FB page, Manny isnt allowed. rhett o rick May 2014 #135

I like pie. Soylent Brice May 2014 #17

No. OilemFirchen May 2014 #19

pffft... everyone knows Manny likes pie. Soylent Brice May 2014 #21

A push poll is when the question is the point, as opposed to the votes. ZombieHorde May 2014 #59

155 now, dude! That's like 2/3 of the recs that the weekly Kitty thread gets!! Number23 May 2014 #58

And the Swarm is stuck at three. OilemFirchen May 2014 #72

most poll outcomes are determined on a less than 1% of total sample size. Obnoxious_One May 2014 #63

I just polled my spouse. OilemFirchen May 2014 #71

Of course you do. Obnoxious_One May 2014 #101

You've met the lovely Ms. Firchen, I take it. OilemFirchen May 2014 #141

All poll outcomes are determined by the sample, period. That's your "data". bemildred May 2014 #75

What percentage of the people that viewed the poll thought "push poll" VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #77

We have no way to answer that question. bemildred May 2014 #79

So who gives a rat's about this poll then....its meaningless... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #82

Clearly. nt bemildred May 2014 #83

...and out of 65,490,495 posts since 2001 which even makes your response more worthless. L0oniX May 2014 #102

The poll is worthless. OilemFirchen May 2014 #140

Most posters get that Snowden should be commended . . . brush May 2014 #30

What 'terrorists'? sabrina 1 May 2014 #36

Did you not get that I said Snowden should be commended . . . brush May 2014 #48

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #39

Actually, polls are usually based on relatively small samples of the population. JDPriestly May 2014 #46

his own poll; dionysus May 2014 #47

The results of that poll leave no doubt that a huge percentage of DUers approve of Snowden's JDPriestly May 2014 #51

You've forgotten about my magic powers? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #56

Thanks for the link ...I just kicked and rec'd that poll. L0oniX May 2014 #103

Yeah but if you look at the user names on that poll Obnoxious_One May 2014 #62

"Prolific posters" but only in ant-whistle blower threads. rhett o rick May 2014 #133

You should post more often 1000words May 2014 #2

awww shucks! Soylent Brice May 2014 #7

People can ProSense May 2014 #3

I'm guessing the Ctrl, c, and v keys are almost illegible on your PC. Soylent Brice May 2014 #6

Ah, ProSense May 2014 #8

yeah, don't care. remember, consequences. Soylent Brice May 2014 #13

Excellent points, so Snowden 'broke a law'. Too bad HE had to do that. Too bad those we elected sabrina 1 May 2014 #25

this. yes. ^^^ Soylent Brice May 2014 #27

BULLLLLLLLL FUCKIN SHIT!!! uponit7771 May 2014 #64

yeah agreed!...as it turns out, facts don't hit the right histrionic notes for many prolific posters Sheepshank May 2014 #113

well, thanks for the chat. Soylent Brice May 2014 #20

Your thread & responses are some of the funniest on DU BrotherIvan May 2014 #42

Funny Glad, or funny Sad? (n/t) OilemFirchen May 2014 #73

LOL Capt. Obvious May 2014 #68

if its not "about Snowden" as they always proclaim VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #80

"defending and upholding the constitution." for some is only important during Republican Admin. rhett o rick May 2014 #134

Could you summarize your point so we can tell where you stand on this democracy? N/T sabrina 1 May 2014 #22

I gave up Soylent Brice May 2014 #24

Well, you have to understand, it's hard trying to defend the indefensible. I am awed by the attempts sabrina 1 May 2014 #26

Do you agree with the NSA spying on you and me and all of us? JDPriestly May 2014 #49

The predictable appeals to authority. Luminous Animal May 2014 #57

That's the 3rd time in just over 24 hours you've tried to compare this to Libby revealing Plame muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #70

Pro if you could find a quote of Elizabeth Warren saying he is a criminal..... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #78

"And Ye Shall Know Them By Their Roffle Waffles" DU-teronomy 4:20 bobduca May 2014 #121

but I don't even eat waffles? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #122

There are only about 10 people here who are trying to propagandize us into submission Luminous Animal May 2014 #34

! dionysus May 2014 #40

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #104

You know you've got them all when bobduca May 2014 #123

OK that made me laugh. L0oniX May 2014 #124

and? Bobbie Jo May 2014 #125

Care to name them? sheshe2 May 2014 #41

Is your alert trigger finger getting itchy? Luminous Animal May 2014 #53

Into submission of what? giftedgirl77 May 2014 #52

That Snowden is a poopiehead. Luminous Animal May 2014 #54

Ok, just making sure I hadn't missed anything serious. giftedgirl77 May 2014 #55

LOL. Well observed. woo me with science May 2014 #91

From a fellow lurker drmeow May 2014 #37

K&R. JDPriestly May 2014 #43

One of the best posts I have read in a while Dragonfli May 2014 #44

K&R DeSwiss May 2014 #50

K & R dreamnightwind May 2014 #60

Amen, thanks for saying that. Obnoxious_One May 2014 #61

just put the Tiger Beat crowd on Ignore Skittles May 2014 #65

you think DU can survive three more years of organized bullying rightwing hatemongering? carolinayellowdog May 2014 #138

yes - just put them on Ignore Skittles May 2014 #139

Smedly exposed a threat to the D President hootinholler May 2014 #66

DU is infested with RW trolls RandoLoodie May 2014 #67

One less now, apparently. cyberswede May 2014 #100

.... giftedgirl77 May 2014 #129

You can dispute the numbers but you have to admit that... randome May 2014 #69

And you can claim that people call Snowden a "HERO" SomethingFishy May 2014 #89

Well now you're trying to make it about Obama. I never mentioned him. randome May 2014 #92

Nope, no points are being missed. There are several problems with your thesis. stevenleser May 2014 #74

So the president was talking.. sendero May 2014 #84

You can try to downplay it, but it destroys a major theme used to justify Snowden. stevenleser May 2014 #93

If that's the best retort to the facts presented then (wether or not Obama "meant" what he said... uponit7771 May 2014 #97

FACTS SUCK!!!! / sarcarsm <-----cause this is needed around here uponit7771 May 2014 #96

Yeah, I know, I'm a major Debbie Downer to the Snowden worship crowd because I focus on facts stevenleser May 2014 #98

Hmmm decisions decisions ...worship Snowden or worship the NSA. Did you make your choice yet? L0oniX May 2014 #126

Typical BOG host response. Adding to ignore list with all the other BOG hosts. L0oniX May 2014 #106

so you are saying the pres was "hinting" at the illegal activity questionseverything May 2014 #130

Obtaining copies of third-party business records is not illegal. randome May 2014 #136

There is no need to paraphrase, POTUS words speak for themselves. And your last sentence misses the stevenleser May 2014 #145

Problem is... ljm2002 May 2014 #137

Your attempts to explain away what I wrote don't even come close. stevenleser May 2014 #146

What about the info not connected to Domestic Surveillance? JoePhilly May 2014 #76

I've been filling my ignore list.. sendero May 2014 #81

Just look to see if they are a BOG host. L0oniX May 2014 #107

So you're damning anyone for supporting the President. Huh. randome May 2014 #109

Let's see ..uhm I voted for Obama twice ...so I am damning myself? FAIL! L0oniX May 2014 #110

Perfect analysis bobduca May 2014 #108

Add ...paid trolls? L0oniX May 2014 #111

I consider them to be malicious bobduca May 2014 #115

All I've ever tried to do this entire time Blue_Tires May 2014 #85

Far from being missed the not-about-him meme has been made as much as the "authoritarian" UTUSN May 2014 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science May 2014 #87

You're all fucking wrong. sofa king May 2014 #88

Hmmm. Interesting but not definitive/conclusive. Still, cannot be dismissed either. stevenleser May 2014 #94

Very, very interesting. Would you make this a more fleshed-out OP? msanthrope May 2014 #112

Oh, man, I don't know.... sofa king May 2014 #114

OP posting is a full contact sport. I get it!!! nt msanthrope May 2014 #117

I can't dish it out OR take it. sofa king May 2014 #120

It certainly achieves your apparent goals here: Distraction. bobduca May 2014 #116

Oh....there you are!! Doing well?? nt msanthrope May 2014 #118

"Hey look a squirrel!" Homer Simpson bobduca May 2014 #119

bobduca observes and sees clearly. woo me with science May 2014 #127

Nah, just ignore you [n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #128

I'm not sure if I believe a single word of your post Number23 May 2014 #142

K&R. Marvelous OP and responses from you throughout this thread. woo me with science May 2014 #90

Drake deads this thread and many pro Snowden threads. He did the same as Snowden with the uponit7771 May 2014 #95

And most of Drake's prosecution came from Bush. It was Obama who dropped the charges. randome May 2014 #99

Well yeah huh? nilesobek May 2014 #143

I approve this message. snot May 2014 #144