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In reply to the discussion: Sorry, I have to start a gun thread. Only to call out lunatics. [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)16. The S&W lock was a simple device that offered some advantage to certain handgun owners. ...
Perhaps it should have been offered as an accessory but installing it on all new S&W revolvers was a marketing disaster. Another factor which hurt sales of S&W revolvers with the lock was reports of the lock spontaneous locking. This actually happened to a shooter on a pistol range I was at and since I had a key on my keychain, I was able to unlock his firearm. I own several revolvers with this lock and have had no issues with them.
INTERNAL GUN LOCKS
Massad Ayoob
Thursday, September 3rd, 2009
Earlier blog posts on new Smith & Wesson products here in the last few weeks triggered a visceral storm of criticism in the Comments sections for S&s continued installation of an internal lock on most of their revolvers. The turn of the key locks the mechanism and renders the gun unshootable, even if it is fully loaded.
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My experience and research has shown that spontaneous locking of the guns during firing (characterized as an ILF, or Internal Lock Failure) has occurred, but rarely. It normally involves very powerful guns with very violent recoil, and also very light guns (Scandium, Titanium) firing these extremely hot rounds. The buffeting from the heavy kick seems to be whats jarring the parts out of alignment. However, one of our readers reported in the comments section that he saw an all-steel S&W spontaneously lock after it was accidentally dropped. Again, a violent impact to small parts seems to have been the culprit.
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Personally, all the S&W revolvers I carry or use for anything serious are older models without the locks. While Ive bought several of the lock-equipped later models, all but one were for sport. The single exception is the Model 340 Military & Police, a roughly 14-ounce five-shot pocket revolver chambered for .357 Magnum. This gun has a unique sight concept: a huge XS Tritium Big Dot front, and a humongous U-notch rear. Developed by S&W engineer Jason Dubois to the best of my knowledge, this arrangement allows the very rare combination of fast sight acquisition in poor light, AND extreme accuracy. This gun puts every shot in one hole at 7 yards if I do my part. Ive shot hell out of it with hot .357 Magnum loads and never had a spontaneous lock, but I still carry it with milder 135 grain Speer Gold Dot 135 grain +P .38 Special just to be sure. (And because, in a gun this light, the Magnum rounds are just painful to shoot.)
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Smith & Wesson makes their Military & Police semiautomatic pistol line with options: the customer can have it with or without manual thumb safety, and with or without internal magazine disconnector safety. I wish S&W would offer the same options with their revolvers, but its a much more complicated and expensive thing to do in revolver as opposed to pistol manufacture. In the meantime, we simply have the choice to buy a different brand. If you have chosen to remove the internal lock feature from your late-model S&W revolver, do yourself a favor and download copies of threads on gun forums in which this issue is discussed, and cases of lock failure are documented. Keep them on file. If you become the test case, that material may help to defuse arguments that removing THIS particular safety device means youre a reckless person.(...emphasis added)
http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2009/09/03/internal-gun-locks/
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Well, the reason for the stalking and harassment is because gun advocates are afraid that
DanTex
May 2014
#18
The main issue is extreme gun owners will not let anyone even try to create this technology....
Logical
May 2014
#47
Exactly, this isn't about whether the technology is of use to a particular person.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#87
The S&W lock was a simple device that offered some advantage to certain handgun owners. ...
spin
May 2014
#16
You don't think an independent agency could prove the state's determination faulty?
Make7
May 2014
#94
"It's a novelty item that only serious gun enthusiasts with lots of cash will buy."
uncle ray
May 2014
#26
So... Democrats didn't spend tons of political capital creating the definition of "assault weapon"..
krispos42
May 2014
#56
I expect that as the technology gets better, it will become less of an issue, too
krispos42
May 2014
#66
That would be so sad that gun fanciers could not buy the "guns they are comfortable with."
Hoyt
May 2014
#82
Pretty unreasonable to broad brush millions of people for allegations of a handful of crimes
Taitertots
May 2014
#60
There is legislation. Regardless of your opinions about the matter. It effects millions of people.
Taitertots
May 2014
#75