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In reply to the discussion: Ralph Nader wants liberals to back Rand Paul. Don't do it. [View all]He's nothing but a disruptor now. Sour grapes because his base is evaporating - due to the damage he's caused for the sake of his own ego and his weird-ass yen to "send a message"? "Send a message" to where? Hell? 'Cause that's basically the result of his last "Send a Message" quest - when his efforts led directly to "president" bush/cheney.
There are still many here and elsewhere who insist that he had nothing to do with it, didn't have enough of an impact to cause Selection 2000, it wasn't him, it was all Gore, Gore, Gore.
Well, given - Gore didn't run as good a campaign (THANK YOU, donna brazile, you useless worthless mush-bucket!!!!) BUT everything I've seen and lamented over proves to me that if it weren't for fucking ralph nader being a spoiler and siphoning off JUST ENOUGH VOTES, it would CLEARLY and DEFINITIVELY have been President Gore. nader got in there and just fucked it up enough so that bush/cheney got close enough to steal it. THAT'S ALL THEY NEEDED. To get close enough to steal it. And they knew it. And I bet they funneled money to the nader campaign to keep it alive because they knew that's what might happen if he stayed in it. They were just devious enough to think that up and do it. And nader was just the guy to help them out. His own hellish brand of "creative destruction" maybe? Well, it was straight from the bowels of Hell as we've all seen, very sadly, since. His horrifyingly expensive and self-flattering and greedy, arrogant, egomaniacal blunder became OURS to have to pay for.
And I, for one, will never forget that, OR forgive it. Well, maybe someday I can get to the forgive part ('cause Our Lord says that's what we're supposed to do). But I'll never trust or support ralph nader again. I remember him saying, at the time, that he believed things would have to get BAD ENOUGH to affect REAL change. Well could be, but SHIT!!!! Is it REALLY worth it, REALLY, to know that at least 4,000 American troops and who-knows-how-many innocent Iraqis paid for that experiment with their lives? How many multiples of just those numbers paid with their limbs, their eyes, their hearing, their skulls, etc? How many lives of those who survived will NEVER be whole again? Besides, even the results we got don't seem to have been bad enough. I'm not sure it's possible to get to that level of "bad enough."
And what about the land over there - sodden with depleted uranium? That's a gift that'll keep on giving for generations over there. To the Iraqi people AND to whoever of our people have the misfortune still to be over there - and others as well!
What about the budget deficit that mushroomed because of that war that bush/cheney HAD to have and LIED us into and "paid for" on OUR credit card that we're gonna be paying off for generations? Put us all so deep in the hole it may not be possible to get back out - in our lifetimes!
And what about the precious irreplaceable antiquities? bush/cheney thoughtfully remembered to have the Oil Ministry in Baghdad guarded, but NOTHING ELSE WAS. The ministry of antiquities, the MUSEUM of Antiquities! SHIT! LOOTED!!! All those treasures of thousands of years ago - that belong to all of humanity - GONE. DESTROYED! STOLEN!!!
And what about the ammo dumps and weapons storage strongholds? THOSE were left unguarded too, and all of THAT got looted, too!!!! So all our guns and ammo and other such menacing hardware of death all was allowed to fall into the hands of every rag-tag terrorist and al Qaeda operative and Shiite nutcase who ever wanted to get a hate-on for the West.
THANK YOU, ralph nader. And FUCK YOU VERY MUCH!!!! NONE of that would have happened if YOU hadn't been in there trying to fuck things up during Campaign 2000. Happy NOW??? HAPPY NOW, YOU ACCURSED ARROGANT FUCKWAD???
How'd that work out for ya, ralph?