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In reply to the discussion: They are taking away our open highways [View all]neverforget
(9,512 posts)230. If? It's happening now. Corporations are buying roads because governments are strapped for cash
and they offer a quick fix.
http://www.inthepublicinterest.org/sites/default/files/Private%20Roads%20Public%20Costs%20(CO).pdf
Oh look! As soon as the corporations get in trouble, they ask the public for more money. Private profits, Public loss. Prepare to get fleeced like these states in the articles below. Corporation runs into trouble financially so they turn to the taxpayer to cover their loss. It's a win-win scenario for them. They own the roads AND get the taxpayers to make sure they make money. Pretty sweet deal if you ask me. That's why I am against toll roads.
Private Toll Road Investors Shift Revenue Risks to States
Companies that build private toll roads are pressing states to assume more financial risk of traffic not meeting expectations, a change that benefits the operators while threatening to increase taxpayer costs.
Illinois and Indiana are among states offering set payments instead of the right to keep toll revenue, the standard financing method in the past. A similar approach is being used in Florida to expand highways in Fort Lauderdale and Orlando, and by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey for a bridge to Staten Island.
The new financing arrangement decreases the risk for operators, which include Madrid-based Ferrovial SA and Sydney-based Macquarie Atlas Roads Group, after at least 11 private U.S. toll projects since 1995 have struggled financially due to traffic not meeting projections.
We are seeing more of that because investors are a bit skittish about the U.S. market, said Richard Geddes, director of Cornell Universitys Program in Infrastructure Policy in Ithaca, New York. If its a new road, there is a lot of risk on how many vans, trucks, motorcycles and other vehicles will end up paying the tolls.
Illinois and Indiana are among states offering set payments instead of the right to keep toll revenue, the standard financing method in the past. A similar approach is being used in Florida to expand highways in Fort Lauderdale and Orlando, and by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey for a bridge to Staten Island.
The new financing arrangement decreases the risk for operators, which include Madrid-based Ferrovial SA and Sydney-based Macquarie Atlas Roads Group, after at least 11 private U.S. toll projects since 1995 have struggled financially due to traffic not meeting projections.
We are seeing more of that because investors are a bit skittish about the U.S. market, said Richard Geddes, director of Cornell Universitys Program in Infrastructure Policy in Ithaca, New York. If its a new road, there is a lot of risk on how many vans, trucks, motorcycles and other vehicles will end up paying the tolls.
Private Toll-Road Investors Get Low-Risk Deals From States
Private companies that invest in highways have typically shouldered the risk that income from tolls might not be enough to make the deal pay. Now, after at least 11 projects have struggled financially since 1995, the companies are persuading states to make fixed payments so its taxpayers who roll the dice. Under the arrangements, states receive toll revenue and have to cover any shortfall with money from their operating budgets. The terms typically call for the states to take over the roads after several decades. Its a very good idea to have private people provide roads, says Gabriel Roth, a retired traffic consultant who has worked for the World Bank as a transportation economist. But the condition in which the state pays up if there is no traffic is a disaster.
In 2009, Florida agreed to pay private investors, including Madrid-based Actividades de Construcción y Servicios (ACS:SM) and pension fund TIAA-CREF, $66 million annually over 30 years to renovate an interstate highway near Fort Lauderdale and add toll lanes. The investors will also get payments of as much as $686 million linked to completing the project by June 2014. Without private investment, the state couldnt have finished the project until the late 2020s, according to Paul Lampley, a construction manager for the Florida Department of Transportation. The arrangement will inflate Florida taxpayers costs by $13 million or save as much as $244 million, depending on which assumptions are used about construction costs and interest rates, according to the department. With the financial crisis going on in 2008 and 2009, this structure made the deal close, despite all the turmoil, says Leon Corbett, project finance manager at the department.
Illinois and Indiana are offering investors set payments instead of toll revenue to build roads. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is using similar financing to build a bridge to Staten Island from Elizabeth, N.J. We are seeing more of that because investors are a bit skittish about the U.S. market, says Richard Geddes, director of Cornell Universitys program in infrastructure policy. If its a new road, there is a lot of risk on how many vans, trucks, motorcycles, and other vehicles will end up paying the tolls. There are at least six unannounced toll-road projects under discussion in which states would make fixed payments, says Peter Raymond, leader of U.S. capital projects and infrastructure at PricewaterhouseCoopers, which consults for companies building the roads. For the financial community, it makes it much less risky and less costly, he says. It makes it easier for the concessionaires to get the deal done.
In 2009, Florida agreed to pay private investors, including Madrid-based Actividades de Construcción y Servicios (ACS:SM) and pension fund TIAA-CREF, $66 million annually over 30 years to renovate an interstate highway near Fort Lauderdale and add toll lanes. The investors will also get payments of as much as $686 million linked to completing the project by June 2014. Without private investment, the state couldnt have finished the project until the late 2020s, according to Paul Lampley, a construction manager for the Florida Department of Transportation. The arrangement will inflate Florida taxpayers costs by $13 million or save as much as $244 million, depending on which assumptions are used about construction costs and interest rates, according to the department. With the financial crisis going on in 2008 and 2009, this structure made the deal close, despite all the turmoil, says Leon Corbett, project finance manager at the department.
Illinois and Indiana are offering investors set payments instead of toll revenue to build roads. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is using similar financing to build a bridge to Staten Island from Elizabeth, N.J. We are seeing more of that because investors are a bit skittish about the U.S. market, says Richard Geddes, director of Cornell Universitys program in infrastructure policy. If its a new road, there is a lot of risk on how many vans, trucks, motorcycles, and other vehicles will end up paying the tolls. There are at least six unannounced toll-road projects under discussion in which states would make fixed payments, says Peter Raymond, leader of U.S. capital projects and infrastructure at PricewaterhouseCoopers, which consults for companies building the roads. For the financial community, it makes it much less risky and less costly, he says. It makes it easier for the concessionaires to get the deal done.
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Here in Ark. I think (remembering what grandpa said) that it is in the Highway Charter
Hestia
May 2014
#127
Parts of I-95, 76, 80, 294, 90, 355 are toll as are many bridges/tunnels on other interstates
FarCenter
May 2014
#22
Look, I'm not riding up on my horse and saying toll roads are the best possible idea
Recursion
May 2014
#104
Here in this state tractor trailers don't pay their fair share (thanks legislature) and are allowed
Hestia
May 2014
#130
Do you really think those prospective tolls won't go right into China or Saudi Arabia's
AzDar
May 2014
#86
As one of my friends says, what does one do. We work and work trying to stay afloat, many of
RKP5637
May 2014
#69
No, the race to the bottom is being done by states who refuse to raise enough revenues to pay
Recursion
May 2014
#117
Don't forget that the NSA can monitor you with EZPass. You are stasi if you have one. nt
msanthrope
May 2014
#10
You mock...but I remember an episode of Law&Order where someone's alibi for murder
msanthrope
May 2014
#26
Never driven in the northeast, huh??? Pay your freight...the bridges don't fix themselves. nt
msanthrope
May 2014
#8
No...the red states don't pay their fair share for 1-95 or their bridges or roads.
msanthrope
May 2014
#121
Iceland. But don't hit any sheep because you're liable to the farmer who owns it.
adirondacker
May 2014
#219
It's become more and more childish though, have you noticed? To me that says either
sabrina 1
May 2014
#250
Did a quick check and it appears there are no non-toll ways across the Hudson south of Albany
FarCenter
May 2014
#76
You'll love Highway 61 down towards NOLA. Be sure and tour a couple of the old homes that are
Hestia
May 2014
#132
You're exactly right. I have seen no toll roads or bridges here in darkest Mississippi
Glorfindel
May 2014
#88
Tolls are a regressive tax, but more importantly, during an election year, are political suicide.
progressoid
May 2014
#152
You are not a citizen to be served. You are a resource to be exploited.
lumberjack_jeff
May 2014
#54
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us
cantbeserious
May 2014
#91
DU believes toll roads are a sign of Big Brother, and Moron America is winning.
baldguy
May 2014
#60
LOL! I live in NY and paying tolls was a big factor in me taking train into Manhattan.
KittyWampus
May 2014
#67
The OP Is interested only in finding new ways to express faux outrage
scheming daemons
May 2014
#122
Yeh, it's really sad, we needed a progressive revolution cure, but we got corparasitism infection.
Zorra
May 2014
#94
They were never built as part of the commons but to primarily serve commerce and the military.
ancianita
May 2014
#233
You don't understand. Stewardship is about nature, not highways. Go ahead. Knock yourself out.
ancianita
May 2014
#237
I cannot do what you ask alone . Many others want it to happen and can't do it alone.
Cleita
May 2014
#239
Meme? Seriously? This is Reality. You can't just ignorantly claim that highways are The Commons.
ancianita
May 2014
#240
Maintenance of them has to be paid for too..... they don't just stay in perfect condition forever
scheming daemons
May 2014
#157
and taxing EVERYONE more for gas effects EVERYONE not just those that use the Interstate.
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#189
and raising those taxes everyone...not JUST those that use the Interstate System
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#191
Don't forget the coup de grace where the toll rights are sold to some private company.
JVS
May 2014
#171
I thought I saw the DU domain weeping bitterly and the servers looking suicidal
Number23
May 2014
#174
Of course the interstates are being taken away, and of course the poor will be affected.
woo me with science
May 2014
#210
Hey, money has to be made, and who better to take it from than the working class?
sabrina 1
May 2014
#172
Or the other option....we keep letting infrastructure fall apart....there is that!
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#221
It's a regressive tax I agree. But paying 2 taxes instead of 1 makes it possible to raise taxes
neverforget
May 2014
#227
If? It's happening now. Corporations are buying roads because governments are strapped for cash
neverforget
May 2014
#230
Do you have a reading problem? Seriously, I gave you a solution but you chose to ignore it
neverforget
May 2014
#255
Right and the poorer people shouldn't be able to drive on them because they
neverforget
May 2014
#260
As i stated earlier....the poorest people....don't have much money for gas to be driving on the
VanillaRhapsody
May 2014
#261
Maybe if we spent those taxes on infrastructure instead of on Drones and Wars and Spying
sabrina 1
May 2014
#249
OR you could look at it through another lens that gives a bit of history on highway capacity upkeep:
ancianita
May 2014
#216
I do think corruption, through deep-rooted corporatization, is endemic to running this country now.
woo me with science
May 2014
#217
Infrastructure has never been free. How much of it can realistically be supported by both feds and
ancianita
May 2014
#218
Many false arguments here. This is not "a fear" that something is being taken away.
woo me with science
May 2014
#231
In Southern California, diamond lanes have morphed into pay to ride fast lanes....
zonkers
May 2014
#222
But not everyone in the other 49 states holds the same cards Californians do. And they might have to
ancianita
May 2014
#241
i call bullshit on every person on this thread who says they already pay tolls
SwampG8r
May 2014
#244
Yes, the surveillance and control aspects of this are disturbing as hell, too.
woo me with science
May 2014
#254