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cali

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Sat May 3, 2014, 12:20 AM May 2014

What do you want from Art? [View all]

What do you want from art?

And I mean the full spectrum of art. take your pick. I want the same thing from any form of art- whether it be a stone wall or piece of literature, a movie, a cartoon, a tv show, dance, photography.....

I want it to move me. I don't mean emotionally necessarily. More like shift my perspective somehow- make me see or hear or feel from another place; no, not necessarily the artist's perspective.

I've had the experience of initially being irritated by a piece of art that over time, I came to love.

I was at the Hirshhorn Museum some years ago and saw a major exhibit by an artist named Wolfgang Laib. The exhibit contained a lot of his installations, The one that I recall irritating me particularly was one of his "milkstones". I'll let wikipedia take it for a moment:

He made the first of his milkstones in 1975. They consist of a rectangular piece of polished white marble. The top surface of which is sanded to create a slight and almost unnoticeable depression. Laib then fills this depression with milk, creating the illusion of a solid object. While the artist makes the initial pour, it is the responsibility of the gallery, museum, or collector to empty, clean, and refill the marble on a daily basis while the work is on display.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfgang_Laib

But irritation can be significant and can actually indicate quite a bit about the viewer. I couldn't stop looking at this piece of milk/marble; at the fluid interaction between, well, fluid and stone, how it was almost imperceptible in the stillness of the room, that there was a liquid held in tension on the marble.

So I guess I don't hew to the "I know what I like" school of looking/listening. I'm willing to question my own reaction to art.

Laib also works with beeswax and pollen a lot; creating sort of anti-Tibetan sand mandalas. Tibetan sand mandalas- at least the ones I've seen- are all very intricate and include a rainbow of colors. The pollen creations of Laib's that I saw at the Hirshhorn, were large, bright yellow, in squares and rectangles with blurred edges. One color. No intricate design. And yet they reminded me of sand mandalas in their deliberate impermanence. At the same time they reminded me of some of Mark Rothko's paintings; particularly an untitled yellow study. Not bad company at all.

Make me look. Make me listen. Make me think.

We get so used to perceiving in certain patterns- the rutted, well worn neural pathways in our brains. When I was a kid, I called it "the second story syndrome". I was about 11 or 12 and I was walking through the town in CT that we'd moved to a couple of years prior.and I suddenly noticed that I no longer noticed the second stories of the building in the small town. I'd grown so used to them, and I was distracted by what was in store windows, people on the streets, etc. Not seeing the woods....

Lazy brain. Magpie, distractable brain.

In any case, back to art. I don't mean that the person experiencing art, shouldn't be discerning. Of course, there's art that doesn't interest me, doesn't resonate. That's fine. We all experience things through our own filters. It's just about keeping those filters as unsmudged as possible.

I'm willing, at least with literature, to keep trying and trying. I have, for example, yet to fall in love with Moby- Dick. I've tried, and I'll try again, not because it's so iconic, but because people I know and whose opinion on such things I respect, have such affection for that novel.

What about absolutely loathing a work of art? I saw David Mamet's play Oleanna in London a long time ago and I really disliked it. It actually pissed me off. But I remember it. It evoked a strong emotion. Disliking art is not the same thing as being indifferent. Given the chance, I'd give it another shot.

There are so-labelled Outsider artists, or naive or primitive artists, if you will. Folks who create work and who are often largely untrained. I think of myself as an outsider art appreciator in the sense that I have no training in art appreciation or music appreciation or acting or film or or or.

Still, make me look. And then, make me see something..... differently.



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Pretty much the same thing frazzled May 2014 #1
Why? Have you seen Art? jberryhill May 2014 #2
Surprised. Educated. Challenged. Relaxed. Amazed. Liberal In Texas May 2014 #3
If it is actually art. Not just some stunt. Archae May 2014 #4
Christo and Jeanne-Claude works were not stunts. Neither was Serrano's work limited to urine nor Hissyspit May 2014 #9
Out of curiosity, are these works art? xocet May 2014 #13
I remember the orange curtains well... Rhiannon12866 May 2014 #56
more Garfunkel bigtree May 2014 #5
You are probably the only one... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #45
nah bigtree May 2014 #46
Yeah, I am unnecessarily harsh on him... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #6
Somewhere to go. nt rrneck May 2014 #7
Interesting thought and discussion Cali and nice to read from you again. nt adirondacker May 2014 #8
thank you so much, andirondacker cali May 2014 #24
Transcendence greyl May 2014 #10
Art is communication... uriel1972 May 2014 #11
"And then, make me see something..... differently." Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #12
Those are awesome... giftedgirl77 May 2014 #30
Is this the Art who let a fart U4ikLefty May 2014 #14
If that's what you want, why not? cali May 2014 #15
to not feel alone A-Schwarzenegger May 2014 #16
That's an interesting perspective cali May 2014 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2014 #18
Thanks for your thoughtful post. canoeist52 May 2014 #19
I would love- if you feel so inclined- to view some of your work cali May 2014 #22
Inspiration. randome May 2014 #20
great answer! and thanks, randome. cali May 2014 #23
Kick! Heidi May 2014 #21
At the risk of goving offense.... Demo_Chris May 2014 #25
No offense taken but I'm interested in what YOU want from art- not what you think cali May 2014 #28
I have opened my mind. I've had this debate a hundred times, including with art professors... Demo_Chris May 2014 #33
Ack. don't get defensive. I wasn't insulting you. cali May 2014 #35
Sorry, I wasn't trying to sound defensive at all..' Demo_Chris May 2014 #50
I remeber in Ingmar Bergman's 1984 film "Fanny and Alexander" the old theater director giving a Douglas Carpenter May 2014 #26
Pretty close to the same. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #27
I've never been able to get anything from Glass but I think it's interesting cali May 2014 #31
Well, it's like anything else - the more practice you get Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #34
The appreciator is never an outsider, you are the audience, the other part, the thing that is needed Bluenorthwest May 2014 #29
I like that thought. cali May 2014 #32
You don't believe everything is art? Shankapotomus May 2014 #36
I want exactly what I said. a painting, for example is an inanimate object cali May 2014 #39
I don't see it as either sad or impoverished Shankapotomus May 2014 #40
I'm a Buddhist- not a Zen Buddhist but in the Kagyu School of Tibetan Buddhism cali May 2014 #43
Simple, a "reaction" Broken_Hero May 2014 #37
I want Art to distinguish itself from Artwork superpatriotman May 2014 #38
Emotion LittleBlue May 2014 #41
It's interesting to me that serrano has been brought up twice in this short thread cali May 2014 #42
Jimmy Swaggert got people discussing televangelism LittleBlue May 2014 #44
discredited modern art? I don't think he did that except among people cali May 2014 #55
I don't commission any art, so I don't really insist on anything. JVS May 2014 #48
I don't know art, but I lnow what I like. AScott May 2014 #49
Lots of things Recursion May 2014 #51
I like the anthropological definition applegrove May 2014 #52
I think art is very personal for the artist. ohheckyeah May 2014 #53
that's a great story. "the poor little fruit tree" cali May 2014 #54
I think its a Japanese cherry tree ohheckyeah May 2014 #58
a Maverick, a Mustang, a Montego, a Merc Montclair reddread May 2014 #57
ha. just for you: cali May 2014 #60
A bridge over troubled water. madinmaryland May 2014 #59
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