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X_Digger

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21. The ends justifies the means, eh?

Sun May 4, 2014, 12:01 PM

May 2014

What was the RS for calling the canine unit?

The agent didn't smell pot (at least not according to his testimony.)

Nervous driver + acne + tinted windows + two cell phones. That's what it boils down to.

If you're cool with that being good enough for the cops to toss your car, we're done talking.

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Federal Court: The Police Can Stop and Search You for Behaving Innocently [View all] Ichingcarpenter May 2014 OP

Typical BlindTiresias May 2014 #1

No reason drivers should be exempt from "stop and frisk." Downwinder May 2014 #2

it should apply to no one. n/t 2pooped2pop May 2014 #12

^^^ This^^^ truebrit71 May 2014 #15

Yeah, well that's the way they do it in Russia.. so ya know. we're down with that. 2banon May 2014 #46

I have been told by local law enforcement that, Downwinder May 2014 #47

I can believe that.. 2banon May 2014 #48

I draw the line at random colonoscopy Fairgo May 2014 #3

They actually have random colonoscopies in New Mexico Nevernose May 2014 #30

What the HELL? woo me with science May 2014 #4

As a retired truck driver, I've known this for years. B Calm May 2014 #5

"Reasonable suspicion" is an oxymoron. Scuba May 2014 #6

The first thing I did was look to see if this was "The Onion." Brigid May 2014 #7

That's a trifle hyperbolic to say 'off you go to jail'. randome May 2014 #8

Publisher of the National Trial Lawyer Association or randome? Ichingcarpenter May 2014 #9

It's nice of the HuffPo alarmists to leave out this key section of the ruling: JJChambers May 2014 #10

Reasonable Suspicion to stop, yes. The search? Not so much. X_Digger May 2014 #11

you don't have to actually violate any laws 2pooped2pop May 2014 #14

A drug dog alert is PC to search JJChambers May 2014 #20

The ends justifies the means, eh? X_Digger May 2014 #21

She was trafficking marijuana; apparently their reasonable suspicion was reasonable JJChambers May 2014 #22

Which isn't an answer to my question. What was the RS for the drug dog? X_Digger May 2014 #23

I read it prior to this forum discussion; seems reasonable to me, and to the court, too. JJChambers May 2014 #24

So to confirm: You're cool with acne + nervous driver + tinted windows + two cell phones being RS? X_Digger May 2014 #26

I think you're confused JJChambers May 2014 #38

We're not talking about the stop, we're talking about the search. *sigh* See post 11. X_Digger May 2014 #39

I think you're even more confused JJChambers May 2014 #40

And what was the PC for calling the k-9 unit and detaining the person until then? (A search, btw.) X_Digger May 2014 #41

You should quit before you dig yourself deeper into your hole JJChambers May 2014 #42

Detaining a motorist to wait for a dog is a search, absent specific RS. X_Digger May 2014 #45

*tap* *tap* *tap* Is this thing on? X_Digger May 2014 #34

You omit this: Vattel May 2014 #13

It adds to reasonable suspicion; I thought the search was the result of a drug dog alert ? JJChambers May 2014 #19

Yes, but the use of the dog was itself a search. Vattel May 2014 #29

Actually running a dog around the exterior isn't a search and if the dog alerts JJChambers May 2014 #35

Nope. It depends on the circumstances. Vattel May 2014 #36

A sniff still isn't a search, it's a sniff JJChambers May 2014 #43

A sniff has been ruled by SCOTUS to be a search Vattel May 2014 #44

Almost every car on the road in Ohio is going 10 miles over the speed limit Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #31

The drug dog alert justified the search, not the speeding JJChambers May 2014 #32

Might as well just view cops as the enemy. Lizzie Poppet May 2014 #16

Nope...we're not a police state davidn3600 May 2014 #17

Remember when judges thought the Constitution was more than a piece of paper? Octafish May 2014 #18

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #25

What the fuck? onecaliberal May 2014 #27

They hate us for our WUT? Blue Owl May 2014 #28

Thought crime ... aggiesal May 2014 #33

It just gets worse and worse... ileus May 2014 #37