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truebluegreen

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108. "To the best of your knowledge" is, sadly, not very good.

Sun May 4, 2014, 06:52 PM

May 2014

This is not about the IRS and not about taxes. The issue is unpaid grazing fees on federal land (and fines for not paying same), has been going on for 2 decades AND has been adjudicated in several courts for YEARS. Bundy lost every time, including appeals. Apparently that is immaterial since he says he doesn't recognize the right of the federal government to exist (all the while waving the national flag and claiming to be a patriot ).

BTW I find it odd that you think it is the job of the county sheriff to enforce federal law. 'Cause that's what Bundy and his fellow "sovereign citizens" think.

How many more plain simple honest tactics do you need? The only folk there expressing any kind of desire to kill are the nutjob "patriot" militia that support Bundy. They are itching to start a shooting war. Want proof? Who backed down and who is still there, fondling their guns?

You're gonna have to try harder.

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This thing with Cliven Bundy is not going to end well. [View all] RandySF May 2014 OP

He needs to crawl back in the rat hole he escaped. He still owes the grazing fees. Thinkingabout May 2014 #1

I have thought that all along.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #2

Some people have to be slapped to the ground before they get a grasp of what assholes they are. In RKP5637 May 2014 #3

Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Elian Gonzalez has made our government wimpy Cleita May 2014 #5

Waco and Ruby Ridge escalated to Oklahoma City. RandySF May 2014 #7

I know that part of the country and its rather remote from necessities especially gas Cleita May 2014 #9

Sound like a great place to live! Auntie Bush May 2014 #82

If you like that sort of thing, Nevada has many, many remote places. I know. Cleita May 2014 #87

So what's to stop them from simply taking the supplies they want? JoeyT May 2014 #23

They are not stopping cars. former9thward May 2014 #29

What property? The property for which Bundy is in arrears for grazing fees? KittyWampus May 2014 #38

No, the property he owns and lives on. former9thward May 2014 #47

What about that video of one of the mooch militia blocking a TV news crew and responding, tblue37 May 2014 #52

That was during the standoff pinboy3niner May 2014 #61

Well that would be robbery and it's not unusual for white supremacists to Cleita May 2014 #85

You make a very good point, as usual! Confrontation might well galvanize them and casual RKP5637 May 2014 #42

Good point! nt Auntie Bush May 2014 #83

Try smarter about confrontation Mopar151 May 2014 #45

But that's not the new DU way ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #53

+1 Good point! FSogol May 2014 #64

But at what point does a government... Bigmack May 2014 #66

Better to seem weak than to make them martyrs. delta17 May 2014 #128

that's true but 2pooped2pop May 2014 #79

What is a realistic approach, though? delta17 May 2014 #130

We're calling for the feds to prevent them from terrorizing the neighborhood. JoeyT May 2014 #81

I don't think we would wipe out a neighborhood of Muslims here Cleita May 2014 #88

You really don't believe that's the same thing do you? cui bono May 2014 #131

If they were Black or Latino or Gay or liberal randys1 May 2014 #56

My observation over the years in the US is often the assholes and wackos get a free pass, but RKP5637 May 2014 #59

Yeah, because military weapons technology hasn't progressed since the 1780's. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #97

Roflmao. Now that's funny. SummerSnow May 2014 #129

he is a freeloading, racist piece of absolute trash Skittles May 2014 #4

Those militia fools are just itching to for something start. Kablooie May 2014 #6

Both sides think they're right. Shandris May 2014 #8

Lol. n/t ronnie624 May 2014 #11

So what are you proposing? Avalux May 2014 #14

He's definitely been using the land. It -seems- he hasn't paid his taxes... Shandris May 2014 #103

"To the best of your knowledge" is, sadly, not very good. truebluegreen May 2014 #108

I'm 'going to have to try harder' to...what, exactly? Shandris May 2014 #110

Yo, dude, it should be obvious: truebluegreen May 2014 #111

I'm not a dude, a guy, a man, or a buddy... Shandris May 2014 #112

Practice what you preach truebluegreen May 2014 #118

Fair enough, and for that I do apologize. Shandris May 2014 #119

Apology accepted. truebluegreen May 2014 #122

What gets me GP6971 May 2014 #124

Total agreement on this point for sure. Shandris May 2014 #125

His logic is internally inconsistent and contradictory pinboy3niner May 2014 #127

See, the whole 'frozen accounts' thing or auctions and whatnot? Seems perfectly fine. Shandris May 2014 #126

To be fair, the BLM was attempting to seize assets-- truebluegreen May 2014 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono May 2014 #133

There are court orders for Bundy to pay for use of the federal lands, No Vested Interest May 2014 #18

Seriously? Control-Z May 2014 #21

The baying of hounds Fairgo May 2014 #28

Exactly what the Authorities said to Occupy. former9thward May 2014 #30

so, you're in the club where people with guns can flaunt Federal Law blatantly over many years? KittyWampus May 2014 #39

No. former9thward May 2014 #49

Occupy for the most part placed itself in areas that are, under our First Amendment, JDPriestly May 2014 #94

The poster I was replying to said "Its rule of law or mob rule." former9thward May 2014 #95

Thanks for the insight Fairgo May 2014 #100

It has nothing to do with finances except that the federal government has a right to claim JDPriestly May 2014 #116

How about something other. Cleita May 2014 #104

But Bundy is still allowing his cattle to feed on federal land without a permit. JDPriestly May 2014 #115

Gov. Brian Schweitzer said the Treasury dept. will take care of him Cleita May 2014 #121

I agree. Thanks. JDPriestly May 2014 #141

Yeah, fuck that. JoeyT May 2014 #24

I remember seeing several posts about these checkpoints, but last time I knew of... Shandris May 2014 #101

Even without those, JoeyT May 2014 #105

This is the first I've heard of those. Shandris May 2014 #106

conflicting narrative? you mean like how the fundies claim the earth's Doctor_J May 2014 #40

Not two sides to this or any issue of truth randys1 May 2014 #57

While I agree that a majority of RW talk is bullshit, only an idealogue thinks they know... Shandris May 2014 #102

Not me, but I cant think of a single issue where the right and left disagree randys1 May 2014 #113

The evolutionists are right. And those that believe the planet is about 4.3 billion years old..... Fred Sanders May 2014 #114

LOL. Well duh! But I wouldn't call that a political belief; there are RW'ers who believe in... Shandris May 2014 #117

oh, it's cut up in nice bite-sized pieces and dried out like a piece of jerky. frylock May 2014 #98

There's conflicting narratives of everything when there's Faux News and Limbaugh around. cui bono May 2014 #134

There are two things neo-nazi white supremist/militia types like... 951-Riverside May 2014 #10

They can't spot a high flying drone, and they sure as hell won't spot one at night. MADem May 2014 #13

No one is stopping them from getting supplies. former9thward May 2014 #33

If someone wants to do meth and young girls there are a million other better places to do it. former9thward May 2014 #31

Amazing, isn't it? So easy to broad brush intent and character. snappyturtle May 2014 #36

if these racist scum perceive what they're doing as "right" that is absolutely their problem KittyWampus May 2014 #41

If they think they are right in defending Bundy, they are indeed confused. Squinch May 2014 #44

No, this is the perfect place for the deranged nazi pedo-meth militia types. They love remote areas 951-Riverside May 2014 #137

No it is not "remote" former9thward May 2014 #147

It is very remote if you actually look at the map and they "kicked" the media out long ago 951-Riverside May 2014 #152

Do any of these "patriots" have a fucking job to go to? Marr May 2014 #12

How many have no where else to go? Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #17

They are the real "moochers" the GOP talks about. Stop all Fed benefit checks. See how that goes. kelliekat44 May 2014 #26

Aren't those the exact same questions posed to the Occupy people? former9thward May 2014 #32

+1 nt snappyturtle May 2014 #37

did Occupy have guns aimed at other people? Was Occupy out in the middle of desert? KittyWampus May 2014 #43

Way to divert. former9thward May 2014 #51

LOL. The poster who brought Occupy into the conversation tabasco May 2014 #54

I brought Occupy into the conversation because the same media points were made then. former9thward May 2014 #68

Occupy was comprised of college trust fund babies and a few retired hippies snooper2 May 2014 #153

If that is true it does not speak well for either group. former9thward May 2014 #154

You can have an opinion but you cannot change facts. When you try and someone calls you on it you jwirr May 2014 #65

I helped organize protests in the 60s. former9thward May 2014 #69

I was there in the 60s also and yes we were peacefully protesting like Occupy did. That is not what jwirr May 2014 #71

Oh please... former9thward May 2014 #73

Those incidents were mainly at the end of the moverment. As to the early violence especially jwirr May 2014 #75

Who is angry? Not me. former9thward May 2014 #77

Diversion to actual facts. Whisp May 2014 #74

You seem to be the one bringing the straw-men into the living room LanternWaste May 2014 #145

Given that you are a supporter of those poster's opinions ... former9thward May 2014 #146

Yeah, but all those assault rifles, pistols, ammo and camouflage cost shitloads of money. Paladin May 2014 #46

I suppose. former9thward May 2014 #50

Whatever makes you happy. Paladin May 2014 #55

Nice hit with the strawman. former9thward May 2014 #67

To the contrary: I honestly want you to engage in as much discussion as you want. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #76

Given we are on a discussion board we have that in common. former9thward May 2014 #78

Suits me. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #80

I don't think many people are defending them. delta17 May 2014 #136

I think you've identified the problem. Paladin May 2014 #148

Yes, but OWS didn't call people on welfare losers while being on welfare themselves. chrisa May 2014 #149

The Occupy folks didn't spend their lives banging on about "freeloaders" and "takers". Arkana May 2014 #151

I suspect it will end in 1 of two ways Gore1FL May 2014 #15

It was in the 90s today in Vegas. Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #19

My house was 103, downtown Las Vegas Nevernose May 2014 #90

"essentially a homeless camp" Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #92

I'm most worried about number 1 happening jmowreader May 2014 #20

Do you really think they'd use any sort of artillery on those people? penultimate May 2014 #25

Only as the next-to-last resort pinboy3niner May 2014 #35

Only if absolutely necessary jmowreader May 2014 #96

I read about that. Call me an asshole, but I think that would've been hilarious. Marr May 2014 #60

I believe you are right and summer is coming along with Cleita May 2014 #89

Need to leak aerial shots of them standing around out there to totally freak them out.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #16

Ha, good idea! (N/t) Lefta Dissenter May 2014 #27

that is actually a good idea. Psychological warfare. Maybe they'd start shooting themselves KittyWampus May 2014 #48

I hope the Google street view camera happens by. gulliver May 2014 #58

And the half-erased word "informant" with a vaguely directed arrow ... nt eppur_se_muova May 2014 #62

ha! and thousands of pshopped military surrounding them Whisp May 2014 #72

Remote control planes flying over the check points would probably re-enforce the rumors. Gore1FL May 2014 #91

As it is they're thinking "the Feds" are just over the hill.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #93

''American flags flap in the wind.....'' DeSwiss May 2014 #22

Still find it hilarious he lives in Bunkerville. JaneyVee May 2014 #34

On several levels tularetom May 2014 #63

They're providing an interesting preview of the world they envision. DirkGently May 2014 #70

Yep. Brigid May 2014 #123

Officials should publicly savalez May 2014 #84

I love this idea. nt Bigmack May 2014 #86

Simplicity itself. Me likey. Brigid May 2014 #99

Cut the network feeds, leave the area, keep Bundy off of FOX and this incident Thinkingabout May 2014 #107

Summer is Coming. truebluegreen May 2014 #109

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #120

What kind of weird sign is this? SummerSnow May 2014 #132

Give me two head of cattle, four melons and three kids--and make sure the kids are fresh this time pinboy3niner May 2014 #135

roflmao... SummerSnow May 2014 #138

Wants to go out in a graze of glory. kairos12 May 2014 #139

I cud have predicted you'd say that. nt pinboy3niner May 2014 #143

Got me. I thought my response would go udder the radar. kairos12 May 2014 #144

WRONG! Las Vegas Sun! ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #142

As soon as those thugs with guns leave, Bundy's going to jail. Arkana May 2014 #150

Obama and DOJ have handled this really well - TBF May 2014 #155

send a budweiser truck rafeh1 May 2014 #156