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Recursion

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Sun May 4, 2014, 10:59 PM May 2014

Hey, look at that. There's no "crisis" in boys' (or, really, anyone's) education [View all]

So, first off, not exactly everybody, there is one group that's having problems:



Native Americans/Aleutian islanders are seeing a slip in high school graduation rates. We should work on that.

However, I'm always skeptical of any talk about "crisis" in American education when the facts show that it's doing a better job than at any point in history:

Here's the high school dropout rate, at an historically low level for both male and female students:



Here's the college enrollment rate, at historic highs:



Here's completion of "at least Associates' degrees" by gender:



Here's median college graduate income, incidentally (nominal dollars, so not particularly worthwhile to ponder):



Here's college graduation rates, note it's at an historic high for both male and female students:



And a somewhat more nicely-formatted presentation of the same data (and using a slightly more inclusive definition of "graduation", hence the higher percentage):



Boys aren't being "left behind" in any measurable way. Male students are performing better than they have at any point since we started keeping records. So, for that matter, is every single population and income group, with the notable exception of Native American/Aleutian Islanders. In fact, on standardized tests, African American students today outperform white students from a generation ago. That gap persists, but all cohorts are improving.

If this is "failing", we could use some more of it.



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Another fake crisis, like Social Security's impending bankruptcy MannyGoldstein May 2014 #1
That said, there's nothing funny about the problems facing Native American students Recursion May 2014 #11
Do they run their own school systems? MannyGoldstein May 2014 #12
Very good point; I have no idea Recursion May 2014 #13
Someone should look at Massachusetts schools, too MannyGoldstein May 2014 #17
May I also add an anti-intellectual culture in America in general... alp227 May 2014 #2
this graph had me thinking the anti intellectual during bushco years. that is when my boys were seabeyond May 2014 #4
That's a good point, too. Though if I'm seeing it right the dip started in the mid-90s Recursion May 2014 #14
thank you recursion. debunk this wrong info being put out. nt seabeyond May 2014 #3
Thank you for this Quackers May 2014 #5
There you go ruining a perfectly good MRA whine BainsBane May 2014 #6
I am not convinced graduating or getting a degree Egnever May 2014 #7
That is what was being used by MRA to state there was a crisis. That us why they are used seabeyond May 2014 #8
I don't know. I've tutored high school kids in DC that would have been written off 20 years ago Recursion May 2014 #15
How can we bash the public school system if there's no crisis??? reformist2 May 2014 #9
Yeah, fair point Recursion May 2014 #10
rec & kick MerryBlooms May 2014 #16
You mean there's no super secret feminist cabal sufrommich May 2014 #18
"The hell you say!" ya. that. nt seabeyond May 2014 #20
Shocking, I know Recursion May 2014 #21
It's comforting to know that a rising tide is lifting all boats. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #19
The only real crisis in education is corporations and charter schools ruining it for profit. Initech May 2014 #22
Agree. That us the enemy to our kids education. Nt seabeyond May 2014 #23
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