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In reply to the discussion: Federal Court: The Police Can Stop and Search You for Behaving Innocently [View all]X_Digger
(18,585 posts)45. Detaining a motorist to wait for a dog is a search, absent specific RS.
See Illinois v Caballes. If it had been a k-9 unit that pulled the motorist over, or the k-9 unit showed up during the stop, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Read the text here-
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&navby=case&vol=000&invol=03-923
A seizure that is justified solely by the interest in issuing a warning ticket to the driver can become unlawful if it is prolonged beyond the time reasonably required to complete that mission. In an earlier case involving a dog sniff that occurred during an unreasonably prolonged traffic stop, the Illinois Supreme Court held that use of the dog and the subsequent discovery of contraband were the product of an unconstitutional seizure. People v. Cox, 202 Ill. 2d 462, 782 N. E. 2d 275 (2002). We may assume that a similar result would be warranted in this case if the dog sniff had been conducted while respondent was being unlawfully detained.
Lawful detention would be with reasonable suspicion.
during the course of a routine traffic stop
Except, the CBP agent wasn't writing a speeding ticket, was he?
Additionally, as is the case here, an officer may briefly extend the duration of a routine traffic stop to await the arrival of a K9 even after the routine stop would normally have been over, with the presence of reasonable suspicion.
What RS was articulated by the officer?
Acne + nervous driver + tinted windows + two cell phones.
And you've circled right back to the original question.
Are you cool with acne + nervous driver + tinted windows + two cell phones being grounds for a search?
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Federal Court: The Police Can Stop and Search You for Behaving Innocently [View all]
Ichingcarpenter
May 2014
OP
Yeah, well that's the way they do it in Russia.. so ya know. we're down with that.
2banon
May 2014
#46
It's nice of the HuffPo alarmists to leave out this key section of the ruling:
JJChambers
May 2014
#10
She was trafficking marijuana; apparently their reasonable suspicion was reasonable
JJChambers
May 2014
#22
I read it prior to this forum discussion; seems reasonable to me, and to the court, too.
JJChambers
May 2014
#24
So to confirm: You're cool with acne + nervous driver + tinted windows + two cell phones being RS?
X_Digger
May 2014
#26
We're not talking about the stop, we're talking about the search. *sigh* See post 11.
X_Digger
May 2014
#39
And what was the PC for calling the k-9 unit and detaining the person until then? (A search, btw.)
X_Digger
May 2014
#41
It adds to reasonable suspicion; I thought the search was the result of a drug dog alert ?
JJChambers
May 2014
#19
Actually running a dog around the exterior isn't a search and if the dog alerts
JJChambers
May 2014
#35
Almost every car on the road in Ohio is going 10 miles over the speed limit
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
May 2014
#31