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ohheckyeah

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49. If that's what you believe, why argue and worry about it?

Sun May 4, 2014, 11:23 PM

May 2014

All is well....our government would never do anything shady. It would never lie to us. Obviously, Snowden just wants attention and made it all up for personal gain. Nope, no spying going on here...

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Did Snowden offer proof that he could see every purchase crossing his computer screen? [View all] Cali_Democrat May 2014 OP

We don't know the extent of the raw data gathered. But the interface XKEYSCORE we have some info Paulie May 2014 #1

But that can be seen only with a warrant if you're an American. Something that was made very clear okaawhatever May 2014 #20

Except it happened ALOT Paulie May 2014 #29

There is no such thing as a 'group warrant'. For a warrant to be legitimate, it has to show sabrina 1 May 2014 #53

There are two different warrants. One is to collect the info from the phone co. and store the info. okaawhatever May 2014 #56

I'm seeing the 4th amendment. I see that it pluralizes 'persons' please show proof of your stevenleser May 2014 #83

Huh. Don't think anyone saw that before now. randome May 2014 #84

What's more, Smith v. Maryland specifies that info provided to 3rd parties is fair game stevenleser May 2014 #85

You just posted it, proof that there is no such thing as a SECRET Court issuing a warrant on the sabrina 1 May 2014 #90

No. What you wrote is not a legal argument. nt stevenleser May 2014 #93

You just posted, and I take it you WERE serious, that the American people have no individual sabrina 1 May 2014 #94

It is all in the parsing or interpretation of his sentence. djean111 May 2014 #2

yes, that. grasswire May 2014 #3

If he said it the way you said it, then it wouldnt have gotten much attention. DCBob May 2014 #12

It never occurred to me for a minute that he meant he could see everyone's purchases djean111 May 2014 #13

Well then its no big deal.. most of us knew that already, even us "low info types". DCBob May 2014 #15

If most of us already knew that already, why demand proof? Pick a stance - either refuse to believe djean111 May 2014 #18

Huh?? I dont need proof of that.. its been going on for a long time. DCBob May 2014 #19

Those who assumed he could see all of our purchases flashing by on a real time basis merely did not djean111 May 2014 #21

I don't have 'proof', but I can say 'how'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #4

Can you point me to proof he and other NSA agents couldn't see what purchases Autumn May 2014 #5

Snowden was not an NSA 'agent'. He was a computer geek. randome May 2014 #8

Weird how the revelation that he stole someone's password giftedgirl77 May 2014 #32

Exactly. nt okaawhatever May 2014 #43

Yes. Thank you. aquart May 2014 #59

Perfectly said. Number23 May 2014 #67

Wow, to think Snowden has access to all of this information makes me think he is one Thinkingabout May 2014 #6

Right now, he has access to nothing. MineralMan May 2014 #7

Do you think he is overplaying his hand again? Thinkingabout May 2014 #11

I don't know, and don't care much. MineralMan May 2014 #17

He didn't even offer the vaguest of explanations. randome May 2014 #9

Having worked in data processing all my life, I don't need those explanations. djean111 May 2014 #14

Except that they need a warrant to see it if you're an American citizen. nt okaawhatever May 2014 #22

If NSA employees were spying on their girlfriends or whatever - then I think the warrant thing is djean111 May 2014 #24

How is it possible? How would he know? What safety measures were circumvented? randome May 2014 #27

And LOVINT showed the system denied requests on citizens. joshcryer May 2014 #63

If Snowden's true interest were in wanting people to know the truth he'd say they need a warrant to okaawhatever May 2014 #33

yeah, in essense he's saying he could run a report on someone. dionysus May 2014 #25

You have no idea if he warehoused a thing. None of us knows his responsibilities. He won't even say. randome May 2014 #30

He is not saying that he personally does all the data gathering and warehousing. djean111 May 2014 #36

Yeah, but the NSA not responding to every single one of Snowden's pressers means little. randome May 2014 #41

He could say the data is unencrypted. joshcryer May 2014 #64

The people who hate him are not concerned about (or cognizant of) the technical stuff. djean111 May 2014 #92

And you know this how? Skidmore May 2014 #95

I think technical details bolster the evidence. joshcryer May 2014 #96

Do you work in an office with PCs? Haven't you ever phoned IT CJCRANE May 2014 #71

I've been one of those IT people. Do you understand how they do that? stevenleser May 2014 #80

So NSA agents simply watch while Snowden runs queries on their computers. randome May 2014 #82

Does Snowden have "proof" of any of his accusations? Cha May 2014 #10

+100 nt okaawhatever May 2014 #23

That about sums it up Cali_Democrat May 2014 #39

If that's what you believe, why argue and worry about it? ohheckyeah May 2014 #49

Yeah, snowden's a libertarian ratfucker. Cha May 2014 #50

Do you have proof of his ohheckyeah May 2014 #51

right.. it's not about snowden except he makes it about himself and his ratfucking. Cha May 2014 #52

I can't say I've ohheckyeah May 2014 #54

It's been a common political expression since Watergate jberryhill May 2014 #76

I know what it means... ohheckyeah May 2014 #86

100% agreement. aquart May 2014 #60

.. Cha May 2014 #62

ECHO CHAMBER IS TEH FUN bobduca May 2014 #16

You should know. Cha May 2014 #26

oh noes!11! #whogivesashit dionysus May 2014 #28

with card purchases he exaggerating but mostly correct KentuckyWoman May 2014 #31

His sentence should read "If I had a warrant, I could see it at my desk, crossing my screen." nt okaawhatever May 2014 #34

Exactly! Funny how he never seems to know how this works! randome May 2014 #42

I've yet to read an official denial of that charge. pa28 May 2014 #35

Snowden is lying lots also so if Clapper's amswer did fit the taste of many Thinkingabout May 2014 #37

I've yet to read denials of most conspiracy theories concerning the NSA and CIA. stevenleser May 2014 #81

Frankly, I'm having a hard time believing him. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #38

He doesn't say every purchase crossed his screen. Skip Intro May 2014 #40

+10000 - not even making sense, really. djean111 May 2014 #44

No amount of distortion is too much if it makes Snowden look bad. Vattel May 2014 #47

It doesn't make Snowden look bad - it makes the contortionists look silly. At best. djean111 May 2014 #91

Snowden wasn't claiming that NanceGreggs May 2014 #45

Hi Nance! Cali_Democrat May 2014 #48

Thank you for the kind words, Cali_Dem. NanceGreggs May 2014 #66

Yes, I was just told "it's not about snowden".. but, unfortnately snowden makes it about himself and Cha May 2014 #55

For the time being. Wait till Putin is tired of him. aquart May 2014 #61

Proof? They don't need no stinkin' proof! Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #46

Given that the Obama Administrations been caught lying multiple times, MannyGoldstein May 2014 #57

That's "damning with faint praise" to an extraordinary degree! randome May 2014 #68

Maybe he's talking about how Obama lied and then didn't cut Social Security. JoePhilly May 2014 #72

In the event of a tie, the win goes to the guy we elected, not to a thief on the run. randome May 2014 #73

not quite the end of discussion. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #87

Then list the lies. randome May 2014 #88

I didn't help to elect Dick Cheney or James Clapper, but you go ahead and make common cause. DisgustipatedinCA May 2014 #89

Did no one on this thread watch Morgan Spurlock on CNN t his evening? grasswire May 2014 #58

Given the proof he has produced of what the NSA can do Vattel May 2014 #65

Why does this Bozo get so much attention? B Calm May 2014 #69

Edit your thread. It has misinformation in it. Jemon May 2014 #70

Your first post on DU and you are criticizing the OP for making fun of Snowden, B Calm May 2014 #74

Well it was done pretty respectfully compared to some of the stuff we see so I hold out hope. Agschmid May 2014 #75

The OP doesn't make fun of Snowden Jemon May 2014 #77

That sort of thing gets done all the time here by a certain group of posters. Zorra May 2014 #78

Thanks Jemon May 2014 #79