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136. I've been saying every one was under surveillance for the last 40 years. The methods are

Mon May 5, 2014, 12:31 AM

May 2014

are more sophisticated now. Snowden could have said this without giving secrets to world. I knew back in 1960 that every phone call to any credit card company was not only tapped but recorded. I found this out when AMEX travel agent made a mistake in booking reservations. I complained and when a day later they apologized saying after they checked their phone recordings their agent had indeed made an error. Damn...that was back in 1969.

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Everyone is under surveillance now, says whistleblower Edward Snowden [View all] Jesus Malverde May 2014 OP

DU authoritarian multiple choice whatchamacallit May 2014 #1

D) delusional, paranoid magical thyme May 2014 #2

I'm guessing the rationalization du jour will be a combination of A and B Jesus Malverde May 2014 #3

'Snowden is a putinite'? sabrina 1 May 2014 #8

Putinista....get your aspersions right! Jesus Malverde May 2014 #16

Oops, sorry about that! I'm bad with propaganda I admit. But I try! sabrina 1 May 2014 #18

E) None of the above superpatriotman May 2014 #4

One day even the white knights with nothing to hide will come around to say no to the STAZI Jesus Malverde May 2014 #5

Yep, perhaps they just don't understand the technology employed. It is dangerous to RKP5637 May 2014 #126

A until it's proven to be happening, JoeyT May 2014 #21

DU crackpot multiple choice Bobbie Jo May 2014 #77

In your case I think -> E) whatchamacallit May 2014 #79

Not going for the extra points? Bobbie Jo May 2014 #83

+1. cheapdate May 2014 #134

I've been saying every one was under surveillance for the last 40 years. The methods are kelliekat44 May 2014 #136

Shhh ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #151

State surveillance is freedom. woo me with science May 2014 #6

Fear is normal...nt Jesus Malverde May 2014 #7

And 'National Security' remains the lie to create the fear that creates support for throwing sabrina 1 May 2014 #10

You Forgot "Money Is Speech"......nt global1 May 2014 #11

And corporations are people. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #17

+10000 woo me with science May 2014 #37

Snowden is under surveillance.... MADem May 2014 #9

Lol! So it's okay for the US to do what Russia does now? I'm confused, I thought we didn't act sabrina 1 May 2014 #12

Where did I say that? MADem May 2014 #14

Whistle Blower Edward Snowden faces the same persecution all Whistle Blowers are subjected sabrina 1 May 2014 #19

Face the music and dance. MADem May 2014 #20

I'm asking you if you are calling Prison and Torture 'home' in America. sabrina 1 May 2014 #27

How nice that you've appointed yourself judge, jury and executioner! nt MADem May 2014 #28

Got anything to refute anything I said? Personal attacks have zero effect on me, I got used to them sabrina 1 May 2014 #33

Speaking of "personal attacks" all you seem to be doing is telling me what you think I think and MADem May 2014 #42

This thread is about a Whistle Blower. Manning too was a Whistle Blower. YOU implied falsely that US sabrina 1 May 2014 #45

Manning was not a whistle blower, those stolen documents were not read or vetted but given wholesale MADem May 2014 #46

For the sake of argument, let's say that Manning is a thief. JDPriestly May 2014 #52

What do you mean, "for the sake of argument." Manning IS an admitted thief who MADem May 2014 #58

Life isn't fair BlindTiresias May 2014 #59

Don't try to "guess" what you think people mean--you don't do a very good or accurate job at it. MADem May 2014 #61

So say what you mean then BlindTiresias May 2014 #62

I've been very clear. I'm not going to play a hypothetical game with dead children, MADem May 2014 #63

Ok BlindTiresias May 2014 #64

No, you clearly don't get it. MADem May 2014 #65

No I understand BlindTiresias May 2014 #66

There you go, telling me what you think I think....! MADem May 2014 #78

Not what you think BlindTiresias May 2014 #84

Good grief, you're doing it AGAIN!!!! MADem May 2014 #87

? BlindTiresias May 2014 #88

Yet you keep telling me what you bet I think. MADem May 2014 #91

Ok BlindTiresias May 2014 #92

You ate the "Big Lie" with your first sentence. MADem May 2014 #94

Not really that clear cut BlindTiresias May 2014 #95

ENTIRELY clear cut. Ask John Dean. Ask Oliver North. MADem May 2014 #97

Did you even read the link? BlindTiresias May 2014 #98

DUH. You think a contractor can't be granted immunity from prosecution? MADem May 2014 #107

Care to address the arguments in the link then? BlindTiresias May 2014 #109

Your "wait" is over. You won't be happy, though. MADem May 2014 #114

And yet there is stll ambiguity BlindTiresias May 2014 #116

Oh, fachrissake. What part of Immunity From Prosecution are you having difficulty MADem May 2014 #119

You misunderstand BlindTiresias May 2014 #120

He managed to get Dianne Feinstein "ired" with his claims that he could MADem May 2014 #138

Since Obama mistakenly suggested that his directive covered contractors, Vattel May 2014 #176

Look, he could have gotten immunity without leaving, BEFORE Obama said anything. MADem May 2014 #179

It's what is called a "hypothetical." JDPriestly May 2014 #69

Manning was tried under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. MADem May 2014 #82

My post had two points. JDPriestly May 2014 #96

Agreed BlindTiresias May 2014 #102

Yes. I vaguely recall that when the Patriot Act was being drafted, there was quite a discussion JDPriestly May 2014 #108

Manning had no "higher moral purpose." MADem May 2014 #103

"that last Putin Praising Lalapalooza was just a bridge too far" JDPriestly May 2014 #105

No, I heard the wind up and the pitch of a tee ball coach, easing the ball over the plate MADem May 2014 #110

As I listend, Putin was quite taken aback. He even said something about not understanding the JDPriestly May 2014 #111

No he wasn't. Good grief. That pitch was right over the plate and Pootie hit it outta the park. MADem May 2014 #118

I think he looks bad. JDPriestly May 2014 #135

If by "he" you mean Snowden, I agree. He looks SICK. MADem May 2014 #137

No. Putin looked bad. Putin always looks smug, etc. JDPriestly May 2014 #142

I'm sorry--I am just NOT seeing what you claim to see. MADem May 2014 #145

So touching of eddie to whine about us when he's being watched like a Cha May 2014 #22

If any of the Proud Putin Puffer-Uppers would take the time to read those links, their heads would MADem May 2014 #25

A- they wouldn't read them. And, B- they wouldn't care if they did. All Cha May 2014 #26

Why, we don't live in Russia, we live HERE where we KNOW our government agencies are spying on sabrina 1 May 2014 #29

Not sure where you drew the conclusion that I'm "more concerned about OTHER countries" MADem May 2014 #32

I drew a similar conclusion G_j May 2014 #50

And now you'll explain how you came to that conclusion. nt MADem May 2014 #51

Hahahahaha ---- no, he won't! Major Hogwash May 2014 #162

He's everywhere he wants to be! MADem May 2014 #163

We know that Russia spies on its citizens. That is not new. Russia does not pride itself on its JDPriestly May 2014 #53

Exactly treestar May 2014 #30

You just don't get it, MADem! NanceGreggs May 2014 #39

Now that post would make a superb thesis to start a thread... you hit the nail squarely on the head! MADem May 2014 #40

.. Cha May 2014 #48

The message is in the classified information he stole. Vattel May 2014 #43

Oh, I thought the message was about NanceGreggs May 2014 #44

Don't lie about what I said. Vattel May 2014 #73

And the jury results are in..... aikoaiko May 2014 #86

I should have been more specific. Vattel May 2014 #89

Yeah, that was a ridiculous alert. If anyone deserved an alert there, it was Marr May 2014 #99

I, too, should have been more specific. NanceGreggs May 2014 #101

Correct me if I am wrong, but Obama doesn't even mention the NSA in that speech. Vattel May 2014 #125

In other words ... NanceGreggs May 2014 #128

Lol, nobody ever said that Obama had never Vattel May 2014 #130

And the goalposts get moved yet again. NanceGreggs May 2014 #131

Again, Obama didn't even mention the NSA in that speech. Vattel May 2014 #132

No, you're right. NanceGreggs May 2014 #133

I apologize for being unclear. What I should said is that Obama didn't mention the NSA by name. Vattel May 2014 #140

NSA isn't "law enforcement" like the United States Marine Corps isn't "law enforcement." MADem May 2014 #149

In everything you quoted, there is no mention of a national discussion on NSA surveillance. Vattel May 2014 #150

No offense, but look at the doggone VENUE where he gave the speech. MADem May 2014 #164

No offense, but you seem to be missing my doggone point. Vattel May 2014 #166

His focus was on repairing abuses, not having a national chat about them. MADem May 2014 #171

Great, you agree with me that the other poster was Vattel May 2014 #172

No, I don't agree with you because you keep moving the goalposts all over the field. MADem May 2014 #173

I don't think you have followed the discussion here very closely. Vattel May 2014 #175

I don't agree with that. The "discussion" or "conversation" was already happening. MADem May 2014 #180

So you don't agree with me that Obama wasn't talking about the necessity of a national discussion Vattel May 2014 #181

Thank you for laying this all out in black and white, NanceG.. Cha May 2014 #47

Why do I believe Snowden and disbelieve the NSA? JDPriestly May 2014 #55

LOL Egnever May 2014 #56

My favourite portion of the tripe ... NanceGreggs May 2014 #67

The post you quoted is a demand for greater transparency, not the proving of a negative. /nt Marr May 2014 #100

It IS asking for proof of a negative. NanceGreggs May 2014 #106

No, it isn't. Marr May 2014 #113

Again, how does the NSA 'prove' ... NanceGreggs May 2014 #121

That is the point. The specifics of these programs need to be more widely disclosed. Marr May 2014 #124

So the specifics of a program NanceGreggs May 2014 #129

If you disagree that more transparency is needed, you disagree with Obama's public position. Marr May 2014 #139

And I said no more transparency is needed NanceGreggs May 2014 #141

We need to know what these programs do, specifically-- Marr May 2014 #143

I'm not telling anyone to shut up ... NanceGreggs May 2014 #161

I love a nuanced conversation! MADem May 2014 #174

Well ... NanceGreggs May 2014 #70

Well said, Nance! randome May 2014 #76

+1 COLGATE4 May 2014 #123

K&R. Nance hits it out of the park - again. nt COLGATE4 May 2014 #122

Many people, not everyone though Charlos May 2014 #13

If they use a phone, Verizon et al are 'collecting and storing their data'. So unless people sabrina 1 May 2014 #15

Welcome to technology Egnever May 2014 #54

If you use a car, they are tracking and storing Live and Learn May 2014 #23

�Be it resolved state surveillance is a legitimate defence of our freedoms.� bvar22 May 2014 #24

Those are some radical ideas. Are you sure they didn't come from RT or Al Jazeera? sabrina 1 May 2014 #31

Phony "Left". bvar22 May 2014 #36

They were never left to begin with. BlindTiresias May 2014 #68

Compassionate Conservatives, then? [n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #80

I would say BlindTiresias May 2014 #85

Shameless party mercenaries? [n/t] Maedhros May 2014 #93

Snowden isn't a whistleblower. eom MohRokTah May 2014 #34

Hayden and Dershowitz lost the debate tho... marions ghost May 2014 #35

Well, that settles it then. NanceGreggs May 2014 #115

Yep--it indicates that Greenwald & co won marions ghost May 2014 #144

I still don't know what point you think you're making. NanceGreggs May 2014 #146

The truth marions ghost May 2014 #147

No, the 'truth' is not a matter of popular vote. NanceGreggs May 2014 #157

Everyone has the tendency marions ghost May 2014 #159

What this place has become ... NanceGreggs May 2014 #160

Yes, yes and YES! MADem May 2014 #165

Bravo! Bobbie Jo May 2014 #170

So... Maedhros May 2014 #152

I consider people who take Snowden's "word for it" ... NanceGreggs May 2014 #155

Um...he provided a lot of evidence to support his assertions. Maedhros May 2014 #156

As I am unmoved NanceGreggs May 2014 #158

especially him nt arely staircase May 2014 #38

Meh greytdemocrat May 2014 #41

If the NSA knows who do you love, they know much. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #49

Good lord Egnever May 2014 #57

Maybe the anti-snowden crew BlindTiresias May 2014 #60

True marions ghost May 2014 #148

Seems snowden wasn't geting enough attention so he upped the ante. DCBob May 2014 #71

must be our banks and our phone services who share our phone bill and our bank statements with Sunlei May 2014 #72

Why does this Bozo get so much attention? B Calm May 2014 #74

Sensationalism sells. nt Jamaal510 May 2014 #90

See, this is why Snowden rubs me the wrong way. WatermelonRat May 2014 #75

I've followed this issue very closely since it first arose. Maedhros May 2014 #81

You've seen them all? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #112

Right marions ghost May 2014 #153

"But then he hypes it up into tall tales like this that his leaks don't support." Maedhros May 2014 #154

Yeah new right wing talking point marions ghost May 2014 #168

Especially Snowden, I'd guess. aquart May 2014 #104

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #117

I hope I bore the assholes to tears. Boomerproud May 2014 #127

I wonder why never talks about private commercial surveillance MrScorpio May 2014 #167

Corporate mass intrusion is related and complicit marions ghost May 2014 #169

I don't think he needs to address all surveillance. That is not where he was working. djean111 May 2014 #178

So if the government is watching everyone... DontTreadOnMe May 2014 #177