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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
83. Pfui
Mon May 5, 2014, 11:35 AM
May 2014

It is a tax move plain and simple. Costs, the mother of all gorillas on the back of any business. Electricity to power the computers, lights, phones, and elevators cost more in California than it does in Texas. Taxes in California are higher than Texas. A majority of California voters approved Proposition 8, which shows that a majority of Californians are anti GLBT. The refusal of the Attorney General to defend the ballot intuitive which allowed the challengers to win by default, does not wash away the stain of the fact that a majority of Californians voted FOR Prop 8. So pretending that GLBT haven exists in the Golden State is wishful thinking at best, and delusional at worst.

Hate Crimes against GLBT happen in California far more than any other state. http://www.civilrights.org/publications/hatecrimes/lgbt.html

All that is left is the right of GLBT to marry, and let's be honest here for a moment, in the next few years there is bound to be a Supreme Court decision requiring recognition of the GLBT marriages in all states. I'd bet that there are a dozen cases working their way through the Federal Courts right now. Here is one that is almost certainly working it's way through the Federal Courts.

Eventually, and I'd bet withing five to seven years, GLBT marriages will be recognized across the nation. It's not a question of if, but merely when.

So by claiming that the only reason that Toyota moved to Texas is to insult and demean the GLBT community the poster is absolutely unaware of the facts, which would revolve around fees, taxes, and costs.

California's tax rate is the 10th Highest in the nation at 8.84%.

Texas has a business income tax rate of.... 0.0%.

Let's say that Toyota does $100 million dollars in business. In California that would cost them $8.84 Million dollars. So in a decade they would recoup the cost of the move to Texas in tax savings alone. Probably less when you consider the cost of electricity and of course city taxes in California. Toyota probably does a lot more than $100 Million in business every year. And in California, that's gross earnings, not net after deducting their costs.

Obviously I feel little compassion toward California which is despite their laws, obviously hostile toward GLBT, so much so that a majority of the people voted to deny the GLBT community equal rights. I am also realistic enough to see things as they are, a money saving move is a money saving move. Trying to paint it as anything else is ill informed or dishonest. Forgiving the people of California their obvious Homophobia by ignoring their vote for Prop 8 is not in my nature at this time, perhaps later the scar will heal. The only difference between California and Texas regarding GLBT is that the elected officials in California decided to do the right thing. In five or seven years, Texas will be told by Supreme Court decision that the same recognition of GLBT marriage must be done.

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That's a lot of drama Gman May 2014 #1
Impossible. yeoman6987 May 2014 #4
well said. we've owned DesertFlower May 2014 #28
It's not all about marriage equality. Texas is one of the 29 States that allows discrimination Bluenorthwest May 2014 #5
It's funny how ignorant some people Gman May 2014 #11
Are you claiming what I said was not true? Because it is true, and denial of that for which you Bluenorthwest May 2014 #36
Yeah, it's unfortunate that marriage equality has become the be-all end-all Recursion May 2014 #33
I've never bothered to boycott anything or anyone. AScott May 2014 #26
me, too Niceguy1 May 2014 #34
This should help a little... pipi_k May 2014 #81
Toyota could easily rectify this LittleBlue May 2014 #2
Anti LGBT and anti union. A double whammy if you ask me. Initech May 2014 #3
You Will Love It... titanicdave May 2014 #8
I'm waiting for the 2015 model. It looks really incredible. Initech May 2014 #14
But Chrysler RoccoR5955 May 2014 #62
Chrysler is owned by Fiat Indyfan53 May 2014 #71
Chrysler is owned by Fiat. Initech May 2014 #73
I posted a link to this OP in the Progressive Group rhett o rick May 2014 #6
Link doesn't work Indyfan53 May 2014 #46
Fixed, thanks. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #47
Toyota needs to rectify as many of the problems as possible Ilsa May 2014 #7
As a Texan, I think this has the potential for good. efhmc May 2014 #9
They better get to the polls! Indyfan53 May 2014 #19
Any suggestions? Precinct chair here. efhmc May 2014 #48
They outspent us in 2012 an 2013. Indyfan53 May 2014 #51
So am I supposed to sell my Prius? RoccoR5955 May 2014 #10
Tesla n/t aggiesal May 2014 #13
If only the average driver could afford one! Initech May 2014 #16
I agree, but ... aggiesal May 2014 #29
I'm sure the ridiculously high cost of the batteries is why they're so expensive. Initech May 2014 #31
They have models ... aggiesal May 2014 #32
There are several problems with the Tesla. RoccoR5955 May 2014 #42
Price is affordable, Model E due out in 2015 at 35K. Firebrand Gary May 2014 #77
By request and built in the USA too Omaha Steve May 2014 #15
I don't think that this will suit my needs RoccoR5955 May 2014 #41
Of course,as it stands now you are not in compliance. Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #49
I have a ford c-max d_r May 2014 #54
I never heard of the C Max tammywammy May 2014 #55
The c-max hybrid is a great choice betterdemsonly May 2014 #57
I think it is the ultimate d_r May 2014 #59
Agreed! betterdemsonly May 2014 #60
One problem with CMax... Leather. RoccoR5955 May 2014 #61
I don't think mine has any leather in it d_r May 2014 #65
What do you mean? RoccoR5955 May 2014 #67
yeah, tires have animal fat in them d_r May 2014 #68
No thanks. miyazaki May 2014 #12
Toyota will have a $1.2 billion settlement over it. Indyfan53 May 2014 #20
Sure it is Shivering Jemmy May 2014 #80
I always have. pintobean May 2014 #17
More progressives need to buy UAW-made cars! Indyfan53 May 2014 #21
+1 Go Vols May 2014 #84
Frustrating situation! socialist cyclist May 2014 #18
They're already on my list. We buy vehicles that are union-made in the USA by U.S. companies. Brickbat May 2014 #22
I should have scrolled down first... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #24
It never hurts to say it again. Brickbat May 2014 #25
Indeed... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #27
I boycott them anyways... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #23
they probably expect a lot of people to stay in CA, and they'll just replace them with cheaper labor pstokely May 2014 #30
NIssan/Datsun US production started in Tenn. in '83 Go Vols May 2014 #86
Non-Union Toyota or any other car brand should already be boycotted Exposethefrauds May 2014 #35
+1. It should be economic issues driving this, not social ones. Populist_Prole May 2014 #56
It should be boycotted for both economic and social reasons. betterdemsonly May 2014 #58
Agree I refuse to support ANY business that does not support my values Exposethefrauds May 2014 #78
I only buy American-made vehicles put together by UNION workers. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #37
Are the American companies unionized in Mexico? madville May 2014 #38
I think you know the answer to that. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #39
I don't want America d_r May 2014 #66
A more strategic approach would be to encourage Toyota to pressure Texas yardwork May 2014 #40
Don't hold your breath while the GOP's in charge Indyfan53 May 2014 #44
Statement from Toyota tammywammy May 2014 #43
The only way to make sure They'll be fine to turn Texas Blue Indyfan53 May 2014 #45
Women employees are threatened too! betterdemsonly May 2014 #50
Thanks for the reminder! Indyfan53 May 2014 #52
Excellent point! theHandpuppet May 2014 #79
Boycott Toyota for excessive beige-ness. flvegan May 2014 #53
Yeah really Populist_Prole May 2014 #63
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #64
Right now its between an F-150 or a Tacoma... Open_n_Shut May 2014 #69
F150 with ecoboost! Indyfan53 May 2014 #70
It's justifying that extra 10 - 15k that is the trick... Open_n_Shut May 2014 #74
I'd go with the Toyota Savannahmann May 2014 #72
I will always go with the superior product... Open_n_Shut May 2014 #75
Toyota's best selling car betterdemsonly May 2014 #82
Pfui Savannahmann May 2014 #83
This isn't just about gay marriage it is about housing discrimination betterdemsonly May 2014 #85
So now the reason changes Savannahmann May 2014 #87
I've been boycotting Toyota my entire life. B Calm May 2014 #76
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