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Amaril

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188. You think a woman doesn't pay..............

Mon May 5, 2014, 11:36 AM

May 2014

......a price in that scenario? You think child support covers the entire cost of housing, feeding, clothing, educating and caring for a child? I've got news for you -- in most cases, it doesn't even cover a fraction of the actual cost.

Look, it really is just this simple..........if a MAN doesn't want to have a child, then HE needs to take steps to ensure that HE doesn't impregnate someone. You are -- presumably -- an adult if you are having sex with a woman, and; therefore, legally responsible for YOUR reproductive actions. It is not a woman's responsibility to make sure that YOU do not become a father before you're ready, so, if you don't want that to happen, then, yes, YOU need to make sure it doesn't happen. They're your sperm, get them under control -- don't deposit them where and when you don't want to create a child.

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Women [View all] boston bean May 2014 OP

I was tempted to hit 'yes' just for giggles... Shandris May 2014 #1

Never mind the fact that men have a responsibility in this as well. boston bean May 2014 #2

Oh, I can see how they'd consider themselves trapped. Shandris May 2014 #5

seems like mercuryblues May 2014 #53

i could have answered "yes". i was DesertFlower May 2014 #3

Right. You didn't trap him. boston bean May 2014 #6

it was 1960 and coming from a catholic DesertFlower May 2014 #8

yep. I completely understand. boston bean May 2014 #10

Well, I guess I can no longer speak for young women anymore. Ha! GOPee May 2014 #244

yes, of course i do, and by that i mean i am sure some raging misogynist thinks so. nt La Lioness Priyanka May 2014 #4

Report Details Sabotage of Birth Control seabeyond May 2014 #7

Thanks for sharing this here. Funny how no one has anything to say about it. redqueen May 2014 #69

a good indication of the misogyny, willfully, when it is an equal gender opportunity, but the finger seabeyond May 2014 #71

I vote yes Go Vols May 2014 #9

Another misogynistic wave on DU question everything May 2014 #11

I was five months pregnant when my ex and I got married, Blue_In_AK May 2014 #12

right. boston bean May 2014 #13

CFLDem ... haha. funny. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #14

Totally unsurprising - a definite pattern. n/t seaglass May 2014 #78

uh hu. lol. nt seabeyond May 2014 #81

No Call Outs. Nothing to see here. Move along, Folks. Keep it moving. n/t Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #82

yup. lol. nt seabeyond May 2014 #85

Why is this an issue? A majority of women don't use pregnancy to trap someone, but SOME women do. sabrina 1 May 2014 #15

my girlfriends Niceguy1 May 2014 #36

my brother did when he knew his wife was gonna walk. seabeyond May 2014 #64

Yup kcr May 2014 #63

How exactly was that trapping him? Gormy Cuss May 2014 #76

+1! -nt CrispyQ May 2014 #97

NO one is "TRAPPED" Demeter May 2014 #103

... Major Nikon May 2014 #162

If anyone is doing the :trapping: there -- Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #177

just another ugly caricature of women, that grown men like to giggle over. seabeyond May 2014 #240

well, honestly - nobody in that picture is what I woud call good-looking ... Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #241

So are you saying that this entire poll is bullshit? 11 Bravo May 2014 #238

Why, now that you mention it, I guess I am Demeter May 2014 #256

Fuck no ismnotwasm May 2014 #16

sheeeit. for years, i wanted the baby, not the husband. nt seabeyond May 2014 #17

I wouldn't say many but some do oneofthe99 May 2014 #18

and some men poke holes in their condoms. flush pills down the toilet or hide them. seabeyond May 2014 #20

It can happen both ways oneofthe99 May 2014 #33

It was stupid ass sexist garbage putting that in the other thread with the mere purpose seabeyond May 2014 #34

What value constitutes "some" to you? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #21

Google it , 1000's of articles written about it in magazines ,books oneofthe99 May 2014 #23

You didn't answer my question. What value constitutes "some" to you? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #26

Look up the definition of some oneofthe99 May 2014 #28

Would you say some is more than one? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #29

word games oneofthe99 May 2014 #32

I'm just wondering what constitutes some in your eyes. One or two? a few dozen? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #35

Seems more like evasion on your part LanternWaste May 2014 #189

Remember, Eve ruined it for everyone. Women are good for nothing tricksters that cannot be trusted. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #19

yup... personally, i put the blame on weak willed adam who shifts the blame and cannot own seabeyond May 2014 #22

Eating fruit from the tree of knowledge was the right thing to do. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #24

ha ha. i have never heard it argued that way. i love it. thanks. nt seabeyond May 2014 #25

Don't thank me. Thank Eve. She's the Rebel Girl of the Old Testament. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #27

ya. i kinda like the story of lilith. seabeyond May 2014 #30

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #38

No, that is not what is said. boston bean May 2014 #41

Are you trying say something? Because this was never said by anyone here. Squinch May 2014 #51

Why would you ask me such a stupid question? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #84

yes. i would like to know also. i have asked a handful of poster, that say... all men are rapists seabeyond May 2014 #87

Whatever the intention, the post is now hidden. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #136

What's it to you? babylonsister May 2014 #31

I read right here on DU that basically: The Straight Story May 2014 #37

Thanks for defying the groupthink around here. murielm99 May 2014 #39

It stereotypical sexist bullshit that I am calling out. boston bean May 2014 #40

DOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRSSSSS!!!!! Squinch May 2014 #102

Men, gun lovers, and christians don't get posts hoping for death-by-rape directed at them Scootaloo May 2014 #130

I am guessing that person was trolling and not a regular DU member The Straight Story May 2014 #134

Correct on the second, "depends" on the prior Scootaloo May 2014 #143

poster "finally" banned. Fixed for relevant accuracy. LanternWaste May 2014 #215

I voted NO for my wife. B Calm May 2014 #42

Is it okay just to say yuiyoshida May 2014 #43

Of course. boston bean May 2014 #45

That, my dear would be impossible seeing as yuiyoshida May 2014 #46

oh, sorry... boston bean May 2014 #47

Here..I hope people can see me more clearly now... yuiyoshida May 2014 #48

I didn't know that was you. boston bean May 2014 #49

Yup.. yuiyoshida May 2014 #50

I heard there was a DU rule hfojvt May 2014 #107

Hey, you know with the wonders of modern medicine... n/t Scootaloo May 2014 #131

You mean like a portable unit yuiyoshida May 2014 #142

Well, I'm not married; but I don't know anyone who HAS done that LeftishBrit May 2014 #44

Same here... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #52

In all my years of life, I've never known anyone to do this. But consider this: Squinch May 2014 #54

Does a woman not have any responsibility for sexual activity? davidn3600 May 2014 #59

Again, the choice for men who do not want to have babies boston bean May 2014 #60

But the same thing could be said for a woman... davidn3600 May 2014 #61

when he starts carrying a baby. why you leave out the obvious for your argument is telling. seabeyond May 2014 #65

I quote Monty Python: Nevernose May 2014 #216

I don't see pipi_k May 2014 #70

NO, that is not what I am saying. boston bean May 2014 #72

You are now claiming that what I specifically argued against was "exactly what I was saying." Squinch May 2014 #90

Nope, we guys have no recourse if our partner decides to keep a surprise pregnancy. Scootaloo May 2014 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste May 2014 #198

You have the same rights to an abortion that a woman does Nevernose May 2014 #217

David, re-read my post. You seem to have missed most of what I said. Squinch May 2014 #88

You think a woman doesn't pay.............. Amaril May 2014 #188

Thank you. I can't believe I'm reading this bullshit here. redqueen May 2014 #62

and then the argument is the same for both. one has to totally leave out the fact a woman has the seabeyond May 2014 #66

I know. When we start a conversation here, we should just make a list up front of which Squinch May 2014 #92

YES. YES. YES. Same ones doing the same thing, over and over again. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #227

Next time one of these threads come up, we really should to that. Part of the Bingo series! Squinch May 2014 #246

BINGO! Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #253

THANK YOU, SQUINCH. WISH YOUR POST WAS AN OP. I WOULD K&R IT. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #226

Best explanation of real life, right there. n/t freshwest May 2014 #255

I guess "stereotypical/sexist bullshit" etherealtruth May 2014 #55

That becomes clearer every day. Squinch May 2014 #91

Three marriages... pipi_k May 2014 #56

A comment from a guy (and, hence, not a poll participant) Algernon Moncrieff May 2014 #57

and men equally used pregnancy as a means to get married too. that is the problem seabeyond May 2014 #67

clarification ... pretty sure some men have paticipated in this poll. Pretty sure CFLDem is a man. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #68

it appears four MEN used deceit getting woman preg to force her into marriage, or not leaving them. seabeyond May 2014 #74

that is my take on this situation. Laughably insulting to all involved. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #75

It appears you are correct. How pitiful of them. Squinch May 2014 #93

well. kinda wrong too. lol. off to spend time with teenage son. we just seabeyond May 2014 #94

Lol! Sounds like they have some great lives ahead of them. Enjoy the day! Squinch May 2014 #95

excellent stuff. i am skipping gardening this year and miss it. nt seabeyond May 2014 #96

I've been married more than once, Z_I_Peevey May 2014 #58

This whole premise of "trapping" is offensive to men and women. It absolves men from Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #73

Women: I'm for them. Iggo May 2014 #77

I don't think that men are such a prize that I would burden myself with a kid just to "trap" one. Beacool May 2014 #79

hahahaa...no doubt pipi_k May 2014 #80

I was always the same way. Beacool May 2014 #89

My husband-to-be already had a son from a previous relationship. Starry Messenger May 2014 #83

ya. nt seabeyond May 2014 #86

I suspect my ex's ex-wife deliberately got pregnant and hid the pregnancy until it was too late. moriah May 2014 #98

That someone made that comment BainsBane May 2014 #99

The comment was alerted on and allowed to stand etherealtruth May 2014 #100

Because women magically get pregnant on their own, right? SheilaT May 2014 #101

Alternate poll premise... rrneck May 2014 #104

Your post implies you believe this to be a wide spread problem....? etherealtruth May 2014 #105

There is no such implication. rrneck May 2014 #106

The real question BainsBane May 2014 #108

Don't say that. rrneck May 2014 #111

Actually five people admitted to using pregnancy coercion etherealtruth May 2014 #110

Your post is much more helpful and imformative than the OP. nt rrneck May 2014 #112

at least two of the respondants to yes BainsBane May 2014 #113

I just assumed the posters identifying themselves as men were admitting to etherealtruth May 2014 #115

Read the thread - Ms. Toad May 2014 #122

Doesn't say much for him, I would think etherealtruth May 2014 #124

4 out of 5 are men that I know. I too assume they manipulated a preg on gf/wife seabeyond May 2014 #127

It was my first thought etherealtruth May 2014 #128

I can't fathom that. Scootaloo May 2014 #133

Of course it is etherealtruth May 2014 #137

I wouldn't assume that at all BainsBane May 2014 #140

If by messing around, you mean pulling a prank on the polling numbers then I agree with you. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #166

^^^THIS^^^ TorchTheWitch May 2014 #242

I see I'm late to the game - Ms. Toad May 2014 #121

Just so you know - Ms. Toad May 2014 #120

... by the way etherealtruth May 2014 #126

As does the fact some who claim to be feminist BainsBane May 2014 #141

Wait ... what ....? etherealtruth May 2014 #156

No, no. I don't BainsBane May 2014 #157

Whew .... good etherealtruth May 2014 #159

+1000! polly7 May 2014 #116

It's always fun to watch and see who sits in the eye of the hurricane. nt rrneck May 2014 #117

Bingo! n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2014 #118

Well, it it happened to one poster/post it is 'many'. Just don't apply that definition The Straight Story May 2014 #135

Nasty nasty seabeyond May 2014 #109

Most push polls are. nt rrneck May 2014 #114

Naturally some see the fact she posted a poll about this BainsBane May 2014 #138

How would anyone know worse from better? rrneck May 2014 #144

"out of context" BainsBane May 2014 #146

Yes, yes, yes. rrneck May 2014 #148

Feel free to provide the link BainsBane May 2014 #149

What makes you think I have a link? rrneck May 2014 #151

The way you were going on about context BainsBane May 2014 #153

No. I'm afraid not. rrneck May 2014 #154

Back to my original point BainsBane May 2014 #155

How are we to tell without a link to the quote to evaluate it? rrneck May 2014 #158

My comparison is a very real one BainsBane May 2014 #160

Um, rrneck May 2014 #161

As I said BainsBane May 2014 #167

It's still a false equivalency. rrneck May 2014 #182

That implication is inherent in this poll already. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #145

It's just another push poll. rrneck May 2014 #147

Derp. Please refr to post #152 in this thread. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #163

Not too sure what to make of that. rrneck May 2014 #164

good lord, rrneck. I feel sorry for you. I really do. I never realized how truly pitiful you are. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #165

I'm just following the reasoning presented to me. rrneck May 2014 #168

Sorry, not going to dehumanize woman in favor boston bean May 2014 #169

Of course I have a better way. rrneck May 2014 #179

No, men have no say over whether a woman has an abortion or not. boston bean May 2014 #192

That is THE WHOLE POINT. You are arguing FOR the purpose of THIS thread. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #171

Are women perfect? nt rrneck May 2014 #174

rrneck, after reading what all you have to say in this thread and the priorities you choose to rally Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #175

It's a fairly simple question. rrneck May 2014 #180

dude, you have lost it. I really hope this is your online persona you are trying to save face with Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #181

Can't do it. Okay. nt rrneck May 2014 #183

You are right. I can't do it. I can not sink that low. Leaving you twisting in the wind. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #186

I'll answer for you. rrneck May 2014 #191

This thread was started to discuss the sexist tropes boston bean May 2014 #193

Ah. So we'rediscussing sexist tropes. rrneck May 2014 #197

I really don't think you have done what You think have done here. Good bye, rrneck. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #194

Prove it. ntt rrneck May 2014 #196

oh dear. you did that yourself. I have never seen a circle more completely drawn than what you Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #200

Okay. rrneck May 2014 #201

actually, this conversation meant a lot to me. it is the one where I say good bye to someone whom Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #203

ridiculous BainsBane May 2014 #172

He has twisted his morals into some of the most curled pretzel logic I have ever witnessed. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #176

Leapng leaping... rrneck May 2014 #184

Human Beings as a group have a remarkable capacity to engage in deceit of all kinds tkmorris May 2014 #211

if you think this to be true: Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #212

This was not a reference to the fact that some women BainsBane May 2014 #213

Depends on the population of males you talk to AngryAmish May 2014 #225

Yes, well I was referring to people in this century BainsBane May 2014 #232

It's not a matter of belief. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #222

Then there is this BainsBane May 2014 #249

Hey I didn't know you could vote in a poll when you're on review? ismnotwasm May 2014 #119

One is actually suspended from posting. Ms. Toad May 2014 #123

5 hides out a poster can PM, recommend. Two or more hides in 24 hours seabeyond May 2014 #125

The one I'm talking about has 5 hides Ms. Toad May 2014 #129

Therefore, he can vote in polls and send PMs. Only when One is Flagged For Review is when Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #178

Just got that clarification via ATA. Ms. Toad May 2014 #190

word. official. yes. thanks for the confirmation. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #195

You can't make a guy get married. You can make him pay child support. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #139

exactly BainsBane May 2014 #150

The whole idea is ludicrous. MadrasT May 2014 #152

Is this poll meant for older women? Capt. Obvious May 2014 #170

I knew she wanted a kitten LOL snooper2 May 2014 #173

I got pregnant MissMillie May 2014 #185

Hell no. It went the other way. I got pregnant and my ex badgered me into getting married uppityperson May 2014 #187

I've known a lot of couples that got married after finding out she was pregnant. Rex May 2014 #199

Uh-0h, Rex pintobean May 2014 #202

Actually, He upheld what the poll is about, whether it was his intention or not, I don't know Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #204

If all things are at least possible, then someone (more than likely) out there did such an act. Rex May 2014 #207

This does happen occasionally. Years ago, a detestable, dishonest woman I know told her boyfriend, Zorra May 2014 #205

When I was seventeen, I was told this by a girlfriend. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #206

The woman I was referring to reminds me a great deal of George W. Bush. Zorra May 2014 #208

but, Zorra ... can you not see that it is HIS own values that have :trapped: him. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #214

"You can set the noose but, they hang their own self." lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #219

or you can throw them the rope, their choice how to use it and honestly after reading some of the Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #221

I'm not the one defending the actions of Zorra's "awful" acquaintance. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #228

I defended NOTHING about THAT woman. SAID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HER AT ALL. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #229

Everyone's world view is valid because it is valid to them. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #233

why do you care what I think after all those names you just called me? Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #235

I'm always curious about how people acquire the views they hold. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #236

"You can't trap the willing" Like those who stay in an abusive relationship The Straight Story May 2014 #220

wow. You really did just equate domestic violence and spouse abuse with a man Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #223

No, I simply used the same ideals behind what you said The Straight Story May 2014 #230

I didn't say anything about any of that. what you are doing is trying to put words in my mouth Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #231

The abused spouses are already married treestar May 2014 #239

the man fears for his life, with good reason? can you post a more absurd/insulting analogy? nt seabeyond May 2014 #243

What I was saying: The Straight Story May 2014 #250

it fails. one is worried about being fuckin MURDERED. you get that, right? seabeyond May 2014 #252

You know you are comparing apples to giant squids here, right? There is no relationship between Squinch May 2014 #248

Yes, I get that as well; and people can be manipulated by recognizing and playing Zorra May 2014 #245

yes, I really hope this man can come to grips with all this. He deserves to have a chance at Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #247

Yes. It's uncommon but there are always examples of even the most detestable behaviors. Xithras May 2014 #234

Yep. No gender has exclusive monopoly on scumbags. nt Zorra May 2014 #251

Wait a minute.......I am sensing some benevolent stuff here The Straight Story May 2014 #209

Yes, two parallel assumptions are working here. lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #218

THAT is what YOU get out of this thread? Maybe you need to have your eyesight examined. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #224

Not even possible these days treestar May 2014 #210

If you believe some in this thread BainsBane May 2014 #237

My stepson now feels his girlfriend trapped him when she got pregnant. SummerSnow May 2014 #254