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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
87. So now the reason changes
Mon May 5, 2014, 12:28 PM
May 2014

I showed how the claimed reason was silly, or stupid, depending on your point of view. I showed how we were trying to screw several unions in favor of the UAW. Now, it's corporate responsibility for taxes.

OK, let's go there.

Why schools in California ranked 16th, when tax wise they are 10th?

South Dakota with much lower taxes ranks number one. So what are they doing that California isn't where Schools are concerned?

Profit is the reason all corporations are in business. It's why everyone who has a job, has a job. The employer expects to make money off of your labor, and pays you for the labor. Let's say you are an employer. The way you stay in business, and keep those people working for you, is to turn a profit. Profit is not in an of itself bad, when it's 1,500% more than the workers, then we have an issue, but profit itself is not. Because many companies turn those profits into new products, like the aforementioned Prius. That car cost tens of millions of dollars, perhaps even hundreds of millions of dollars to research and develop. They got that money from... Profit.

The engine in my Toyota Sienna uses synthetic oil. The testing that went into that to make sure that the oil would not damage any seals, a problem with bio-diesel for example, that would require newly designed seals cost a ton of money. Then there was testing to make sure the car would hold up in accidents. That cost a ton of money, which was paid for by that evil profit.

Profit in and of itself is not bad. By cutting costs, Toyota can put that much more into research and development for even more environmentally friendly cars. My Van with it's synthetic oil gets better gas mileage than the one from just a couple years before. Milking a couple more MPG from the gallon of gasoline.

The Toyota Tacoma was designed by the office in California. Those engineers and designers were not fired summarily when they were done, they are still employed, improving upon their design. Those are Americans, doing a job for a company, which the company expects to get something for.

Road and bridges? Pennsylvania is the state with the greatest need for bridge repair. So why aren't we shouting at Toyota to move to Pennsylvania?

You give me a corporate policy that is wrong, and I'll join the boycott. You give me a good reason and I'll be first in line. But this is nothing more than nonsense. Every reason someone pulls out shows that it's a bias against Foreign companies operating in the US, and gaining popularity over the traditional US brands, most of which are made in Mexico, with non union labor. All of this is nonsense, it's a smoke screen.

Toyota took the leap and created the first viable Hybrid auto. A technology that many others have joined in on. They dedicated a ton of money to do so, and deserve the credit. Honda is the first with the Hydrogen Fuel Cell. Honda is a foreign company operating in the US and that includes factories. GM, Ford, and Chrysler are following, when they see they have to, not before.

But we have to protect California, and teach Toyota a lesson. The why is a little vague, but that we have to is the real deal.

You can buy anything you want to. Any car you want to. It is your choice, but don't pretend that you are making that choice for moral reasons that are less substantial than a tissue. And don't pretend that those of us who eschew the so called boycott are less concerned than thou about social issues. Because kids in Texas need good schools as much as kids in California.

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That's a lot of drama Gman May 2014 #1
Impossible. yeoman6987 May 2014 #4
well said. we've owned DesertFlower May 2014 #28
It's not all about marriage equality. Texas is one of the 29 States that allows discrimination Bluenorthwest May 2014 #5
It's funny how ignorant some people Gman May 2014 #11
Are you claiming what I said was not true? Because it is true, and denial of that for which you Bluenorthwest May 2014 #36
Yeah, it's unfortunate that marriage equality has become the be-all end-all Recursion May 2014 #33
I've never bothered to boycott anything or anyone. AScott May 2014 #26
me, too Niceguy1 May 2014 #34
This should help a little... pipi_k May 2014 #81
Toyota could easily rectify this LittleBlue May 2014 #2
Anti LGBT and anti union. A double whammy if you ask me. Initech May 2014 #3
You Will Love It... titanicdave May 2014 #8
I'm waiting for the 2015 model. It looks really incredible. Initech May 2014 #14
But Chrysler RoccoR5955 May 2014 #62
Chrysler is owned by Fiat Indyfan53 May 2014 #71
Chrysler is owned by Fiat. Initech May 2014 #73
I posted a link to this OP in the Progressive Group rhett o rick May 2014 #6
Link doesn't work Indyfan53 May 2014 #46
Fixed, thanks. nm rhett o rick May 2014 #47
Toyota needs to rectify as many of the problems as possible Ilsa May 2014 #7
As a Texan, I think this has the potential for good. efhmc May 2014 #9
They better get to the polls! Indyfan53 May 2014 #19
Any suggestions? Precinct chair here. efhmc May 2014 #48
They outspent us in 2012 an 2013. Indyfan53 May 2014 #51
So am I supposed to sell my Prius? RoccoR5955 May 2014 #10
Tesla n/t aggiesal May 2014 #13
If only the average driver could afford one! Initech May 2014 #16
I agree, but ... aggiesal May 2014 #29
I'm sure the ridiculously high cost of the batteries is why they're so expensive. Initech May 2014 #31
They have models ... aggiesal May 2014 #32
There are several problems with the Tesla. RoccoR5955 May 2014 #42
Price is affordable, Model E due out in 2015 at 35K. Firebrand Gary May 2014 #77
By request and built in the USA too Omaha Steve May 2014 #15
I don't think that this will suit my needs RoccoR5955 May 2014 #41
Of course,as it stands now you are not in compliance. Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #49
I have a ford c-max d_r May 2014 #54
I never heard of the C Max tammywammy May 2014 #55
The c-max hybrid is a great choice betterdemsonly May 2014 #57
I think it is the ultimate d_r May 2014 #59
Agreed! betterdemsonly May 2014 #60
One problem with CMax... Leather. RoccoR5955 May 2014 #61
I don't think mine has any leather in it d_r May 2014 #65
What do you mean? RoccoR5955 May 2014 #67
yeah, tires have animal fat in them d_r May 2014 #68
No thanks. miyazaki May 2014 #12
Toyota will have a $1.2 billion settlement over it. Indyfan53 May 2014 #20
Sure it is Shivering Jemmy May 2014 #80
I always have. pintobean May 2014 #17
More progressives need to buy UAW-made cars! Indyfan53 May 2014 #21
+1 Go Vols May 2014 #84
Frustrating situation! socialist cyclist May 2014 #18
They're already on my list. We buy vehicles that are union-made in the USA by U.S. companies. Brickbat May 2014 #22
I should have scrolled down first... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #24
It never hurts to say it again. Brickbat May 2014 #25
Indeed... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #27
I boycott them anyways... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #23
they probably expect a lot of people to stay in CA, and they'll just replace them with cheaper labor pstokely May 2014 #30
NIssan/Datsun US production started in Tenn. in '83 Go Vols May 2014 #86
Non-Union Toyota or any other car brand should already be boycotted Exposethefrauds May 2014 #35
+1. It should be economic issues driving this, not social ones. Populist_Prole May 2014 #56
It should be boycotted for both economic and social reasons. betterdemsonly May 2014 #58
Agree I refuse to support ANY business that does not support my values Exposethefrauds May 2014 #78
I only buy American-made vehicles put together by UNION workers. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #37
Are the American companies unionized in Mexico? madville May 2014 #38
I think you know the answer to that. Le Taz Hot May 2014 #39
I don't want America d_r May 2014 #66
A more strategic approach would be to encourage Toyota to pressure Texas yardwork May 2014 #40
Don't hold your breath while the GOP's in charge Indyfan53 May 2014 #44
Statement from Toyota tammywammy May 2014 #43
The only way to make sure They'll be fine to turn Texas Blue Indyfan53 May 2014 #45
Women employees are threatened too! betterdemsonly May 2014 #50
Thanks for the reminder! Indyfan53 May 2014 #52
Excellent point! theHandpuppet May 2014 #79
Boycott Toyota for excessive beige-ness. flvegan May 2014 #53
Yeah really Populist_Prole May 2014 #63
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #64
Right now its between an F-150 or a Tacoma... Open_n_Shut May 2014 #69
F150 with ecoboost! Indyfan53 May 2014 #70
It's justifying that extra 10 - 15k that is the trick... Open_n_Shut May 2014 #74
I'd go with the Toyota Savannahmann May 2014 #72
I will always go with the superior product... Open_n_Shut May 2014 #75
Toyota's best selling car betterdemsonly May 2014 #82
Pfui Savannahmann May 2014 #83
This isn't just about gay marriage it is about housing discrimination betterdemsonly May 2014 #85
So now the reason changes Savannahmann May 2014 #87
I've been boycotting Toyota my entire life. B Calm May 2014 #76
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